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Hercules Mk2 in...
Topic: Hercules Mk2 in Asio/TCV mode, waiting for a real review - Page: 1
The question is:
How is it compared to our standard maya44 usb, when used with TCV.
performance? / stability ?
I've read the manual and specs look very simillar now.
Unlike the old console, this one has hardware sample rate at 44.1/48 k (asio switchable)
(like the maya) wich is very imporant.
Maya's asio drivers have been proven very stable, but i'm not sure about hercules.
It's all about Asio drivers you know...
The other question is:
Are buttons really fixed now.
Some users say yes, but i'd say, time will tell...
PS. i think Behringer made a big gift to hercules by leaving the christmas market so clear..
Posted Tue 29 Nov 05 @ 5:11 pm
Hopefully more can give their feedback soon too :)
I will order mine tomorrow, and give a full review as soon as I can
Posted Tue 29 Nov 05 @ 6:01 pm
Posted Wed 30 Nov 05 @ 2:38 am
This means that more than 1 Asio applications (or 2 vdj instances) can use the Asio driver at the same time.
In fact very few cards support this and maya44usb is one of the few.
So, (dj-in-Norvay or others) try this for me:
1.Set console in asio mode
2.Open and setup two Asio applications (or 2 vdj instances)
Run both programs at the same time to check if you can hear both, or only the first you opened.
I'm also waiting for a review about the buttons, are they made from the same rubber material like in v1, (as i hear they are hard plastic now and feel better) are they reliable now ?
Posted Thu 08 Dec 05 @ 11:49 pm
Posted Fri 09 Dec 05 @ 2:48 pm
Does hercules provide multi-port wdm drivers too, or only asio.
In other words, when you're in windows sound mapper (not the asio control panel)
can you see something like Out 1+2, Out 3+4 ?
Posted Sun 11 Dec 05 @ 3:18 am
> "1.Set console in asio mode
2.Open and setup two Asio applications (or 2 vdj instances)
Run both programs at the same time to check if you can hear both, or only the first you opened."
if I start two vdj instances in ASIO mode, I can only get the first one to play audio.
I also tried to open VDJ in ASIO mode, then to open Fruity Loops (which I use in ASIO mode too), and Fruity Loops tells me "DJ Console mk2 already in use", then issues an error "Not enough ASIO output channels available. At least 2 channels are needed."
So unless I did something wrong it looks like it might not be multiclient...
> "In other words, when you're in windows sound mapper (not the asio control panel) can you see something like Out 1+2, Out 3+4 ?"
yes, in both WDM and ASIO, you can set separate levels for out (1+2) and out (3+4), as well as panning (between 1 and 2) and (between 3 and 4)
Posted Sun 11 Dec 05 @ 8:41 am
I'm not going to retype everything but, about the buttons:
- touch and feel exactly like v1, no difference at all
- underside: double the amount of carbon contacts. before it was two towards the middle, now there are four of them, one in each corner (I think it's better given the shape of those buttons). In 3 months, I've had no problem.
- even if they ever get bad, now with the new DJConsle mapping possibilities in VDJ 3.2, we'll always be able to map other, less used buttons for play/pause. but let's hope we won't have to :)
hope this helps,
Posted Sun 11 Dec 05 @ 9:04 am
From turntable to console... :)
I'll hopefully get mine this week :)
BAMBI : how responsive are the buttons... you say they have more contacts. Is that saying they are more respnsive now, than the old console?
Posted Sun 11 Dec 05 @ 12:59 pm
This time, you can trust that when you press it it will work on the first try :)
For the sake of it, I just tried pushing play/pause 100 times, it worked 100 times, and this no matter of where I pushed on the button (whether in a corner or in the middle).
Also, with a 130 bpm track, in a one-beat duration (i.e. between two small CBG squares), I'm able to start and pause four times (start-pause-start-pause-start-pause-start-pause), not too bad :)
let's all cross fingers that it stays this way for years to come!
I bet you can't wait to receive yours eh norway ? :)
Posted Sun 11 Dec 05 @ 4:52 pm
The play button on my console MK1 are very bad, I hardly ever used them because they aren't reliable, but now when I push them just for the sake of testing it works maybe 1 in 10 attempts, although the new console is no doubt a huge improvement, I have to express that I feel they will wear as the original did.
But I'm not going to buy mine strictly because of the inputs, I'm also after the other improvments (especially the 2inputs).
Posted Mon 12 Dec 05 @ 1:52 am
A tip for you: before you press the post button when you have write a big message, press contr+A (select all) and control+C (copy to clipboard) just in case...
Now it seems that asio drivers are not asio multiclient in mk2, but as i wrote very few drivers support this (big advantage for maya)
But as you wrote now hercules has multi channel wdm driver, wich means that you can see 2 output pairs in windows mapper, so you can for example setup winamp to use out 3+4.
Or you can use the icon with the 2 soundcards and the mixer in virtual dj and choose the individual outputs for each deck in wdm mode, can you confirm this ?
Another important question: can you use wdm, and asio at the same time ?
eg. virtualdj in wdm and FL in asio ? (this is called multiclient drivers too)
And one more thing to try, about the mic input.
In Djconsole 1, when i tried to record a mic using the mic input, (using wavelab for example)
the signal was too weak and too low, the mic preamp was really like the ones in cheap consumer soundcards. Can you test this to see if any better ?
and of course, someone has to test the mk2 soundcard in TCV enviroment.
How is the performance, any problems, skips, compared to maya.
Posted Mon 12 Dec 05 @ 2:56 am
I share this interest too, before I spend ALL that money, lol.
But this is really worth knowing, The outputs of the original Hercules work great, the headphone output works great too, but I share the problem with the mic input, the signal is weak and rather quiet, overall the mic is best not used on the hercules, this is where a hardware mixer is essential to replace these problematic functions.
Posted Mon 12 Dec 05 @ 3:28 am
My question was about recording, (you know field recording)
Because hercules can be powered from usb, i just need an all in one solution for my mobile needs.
Its a shame that i need maybe 2 or 3 different cards or devices to do my job right.
One for dj'ing, one with acceptable mic preamp for mobile recording one (pci) for recording/editing...
(For example a Firewire card need external power supply when used with a laptop..)
Posted Mon 12 Dec 05 @ 4:52 am
As for the Hercules, the soundcard side of things is ok but I'm not sure just how well made it is for that price (considering the controller which is the main attraction), what have Hercules actually said about ammendments to the original?, well not alot judgeing from there site, on the other hand they wasn't likely to issue a FULL list of improvements else it would make their previous console look a bit stupid, for example they didn't mention "play button that WORKS!".
I don't think this unit will be the perfect controller or the perfect soundcard (although I gather timecode could work great), but for studio use I'd prefer a dedicated soundcard for sure.
Posted Mon 12 Dec 05 @ 1:03 pm
Some questions are not answered !
1. wdm, and asio at the same time ?
2. 1+2, 3+4 outputs in wdm/dx applications, eg vdj in 2 soundcards mode, possible ?
3. mic input level (compared to djc 1) ?
4. Performance/stability with TCV ?
Posted Fri 16 Dec 05 @ 7:20 am
2. no. in a multitrack progem (such as krystal audio), you can output using all 4 outputs, or 2 stereo (1+2, 3+4), even in wmd/dx. But you cannot simulate two soundcards. For example in VDJ, you won't have 1+2 and 3+4 listed as separate soundcards. Of course, you can still output deckA onto 1+2 and DeckB onto 3+4, even in wdm/dx mode!
3. don't use mic, so I don't know. but for phono-in input level, a high-voltage cartridge is best (9.5mV or above, such as the Shure M44-7)
4. I pretty much said it all in the post that Norway refers to in the previous page. It's totally fine for house/techno mixing, but I would like to hear the opinion of a heavy-duty scratcher...
Posted Fri 16 Dec 05 @ 9:45 am
I've never attempted to do a test on Numark CDX using regular CDs since I don't know anyone around me that owns a pair.
but that's really the only problem I've really seen on TCV. They are great for mixing though (any styles) match your beats and blend both songs together just don't do any advanced scratches and you'll be fine.
DJ White Devil
Posted Sat 17 Dec 05 @ 6:41 pm
For the "scratching fast", have you tried different ASIO buffer sizes? you want to go with the smallest buffer size possible (for the lowset latency), but not go too small either: smaller buffer size require bigger CPU resources (to handle the transfer of all those tiny buffers), and therefore might cause those few occasional pops and digital clippings you're mentionning. So maybe in your case try to up the buffer size just a bit, IMHO it's better to sacrifice latency to sound :)
For the very slow scratching unfortunately, I think there's no solution: 0s and 1s goings through the pipe very slow will never match the analog contact of the stylus on the vinyl and its resulting soundwave :(
Posted Sat 17 Dec 05 @ 11:06 pm
Bad things, Optical, midi and coaxual in/out have been ditched and...
I've been using it over the past week and it's crashed out several times, every time i've been streaming. All the drivers have been updated and I'm running SP2 with VDJ 3.2. I've tried it in asio and wma and it's crashed using both, old mk1 drivers were removed prior to install.
Posted Sun 18 Dec 05 @ 12:23 am