the SOUND INSURGENT
As a guy who loves 45s and uses a modded set of Numark PT01 scratches this is a dream come true!!
I can wait to get my set and yes I have them pre ordered 🤘🏾
Anyone else getting a set??
Posted 4 days ago @ 1:20 pm
DJ VinylTouch
TBH they look cool but seem very niche. I never actually drag turntables anywhere, and at home, full size 12" turntables would be used to play more than 45s.
I could understand if you bring turntables everywhere and mainly play 45s - ppl like DJ Koco out of Japan would probably jump at these, unless he's in formal, non-compete contract with Pioneer.
@Atomix staff: we need some VirtualDJ 7" timecode options for purchase (in addition to more options on colors, shameless plug but I have hope)
I could understand if you bring turntables everywhere and mainly play 45s - ppl like DJ Koco out of Japan would probably jump at these, unless he's in formal, non-compete contract with Pioneer.
@Atomix staff: we need some VirtualDJ 7" timecode options for purchase (in addition to more options on colors, shameless plug but I have hope)
Posted 4 days ago @ 2:43 pm
the SOUND INSURGENT
Yeah I get but yeah I do drag my tables everywhere still if I'm not using SC5000m's.
I do play mainly 45s so these are perfect!! Can wait till they get shipped to my house.
AND YES!! Some 7" timecode is needed from VDJ.
I do play mainly 45s so these are perfect!! Can wait till they get shipped to my house.
AND YES!! Some 7" timecode is needed from VDJ.
Posted 3 days ago @ 9:25 pm
Paul McKenzie
I'm a digital mobile DJ and have no desire to go to vinyl, but I think working with spinning platters is more musical than static jog wheels. I like the form factor of the RP7. I like that they look repairable, as opposed to units like the motorized jogs on controllers like the Rane 1, which are probably cheap and not repairable.
I use two Denon LC's, which work okay, but feel cheap, and I could definitely see replacing them with RP7's.
What's missing are some controller buttons and the ability to output MIDI clock for the software. THAT would be pretty cool for guys like me who want to dip their toe into the 'vinyl feel' while remaining fully digital.
I use two Denon LC's, which work okay, but feel cheap, and I could definitely see replacing them with RP7's.
What's missing are some controller buttons and the ability to output MIDI clock for the software. THAT would be pretty cool for guys like me who want to dip their toe into the 'vinyl feel' while remaining fully digital.
Posted 2 days ago @ 4:08 pm
DJ VinylTouch
If it's only the vinyl feel you are after (i.e. you don't play actual vinyl), while having full (mappable) controls, and having a similar form factor, then the Denon SC6000M/SC6000M Prime players are what you want - they do everything from a digital perspective - streaming, standalone play with USB storage, DJ software control.
(Imo) The RP 7 wasn't really meant for that - I think it was meant for persons who actually play real vinyl 45s and maybe use Serato (with 7" timecode) otherwise, hence no MIDI controls.
As for being motorized being perceived as being more musical, I'll leave that discussion for others on the forum (I personally think that is just a preference/most likely influenced from a historical view of DJing, but that's just me).
(Imo) The RP 7 wasn't really meant for that - I think it was meant for persons who actually play real vinyl 45s and maybe use Serato (with 7" timecode) otherwise, hence no MIDI controls.
As for being motorized being perceived as being more musical, I'll leave that discussion for others on the forum (I personally think that is just a preference/most likely influenced from a historical view of DJing, but that's just me).
Posted yesterday @ 4:37 pm
Paul McKenzie
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
If it's only the vinyl feel you are after (i.e. you don't play actual vinyl), while having full (mappable) controls, and having a similar form factor, then the Denon SC6000M/SC6000M Prime players are what you want - they do everything from a digital perspective - streaming, standalone play with USB storage, DJ software control.
Sure, but I don't really get the point of standalone's like the SC or CDJ, when laptops are so much better suited to the task. I think their shelf-life is about up. Secondly, Denon (InMusic) doesn't really impress me with their focus on quality. I picked up my LC's on a clearance sale and thought I was getting a deal, but honestly, they are worth about $200 apiece retail, which is less than I paid on clearance. The build quality is pretty cheap. I have a Prime Go, which I like, but the plastic casing for it is easily damaged. Why not give it a durable case to make it roadworthy? /rant
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(Imo) The RP 7 wasn't really meant for that - I think it was meant for persons who actually play real vinyl 45s and maybe use Serato (with 7" timecode) otherwise, hence no MIDI controls.
Sure, I get that. But from a sales perspective, I'm betting that there are a lot more people like me, who would use it as an analog-feeling controller than there are 7" aficionados who will buy it to DJ on. So, why not make a version for digital DJ's and one for the 7" collectors? I don't think motorized controllers are going away. People want to use them.
I had a chance to DJ a set on my friend's Rane Performer. I didn't think I'd like the motorized jogs, but after using them, I was surprised at how natural it felt to work with them.
Posted yesterday @ 6:31 pm
kradcliffe
Paul McKenzie wrote :
Denon (InMusic) doesn't really impress me with their focus on quality
That changed after the In-Music takeover. I'm still using my pre In-Music MCX8000 most weekends I bought in 2017 and apart from the usual switch cleaner in the faders and tact switches it's as solid as a tank and works great.
It seems the pecking order is now Rane (best quality) then Denon DJ (somewhere in the middle) and then Numark (cheap and nasty).
Even my Pioneer FLX10 feels a bit cheap for £1500
It's just shrinkflation and cost cutting across the industry.
Posted yesterday @ 6:39 pm
DJ VinylTouch
Tbh I think the brands are ordered by consumer type rather than quality:
Rane = Turntablists + software centric professional DJs
Denon (especially Prime Series) - standalone with Engine for mobile professional DJs
Everything else (e.g. Numark), with a few exceptions (e.g. Numarl Scratch) = beginner/entry level.
Obviously each brand has a range of differently price gear with different features and quality, but I do think the ultimate focus is as described.
In terms of making a digitized version of the RP7 - very possible, but that is already a niche market and they need to ensure it's viable and have a good roadmap for the future there. Coming out all guns blazing, featurewise could be a bad move if this doesn't work as they hoped, so this first iteration is most likely a "test the waters" and then what you suggested is a natural path. Also remember they still have the RP7000 and 8000 on sale - they don't want to necessarily tread on their sales either.
@DJ Paul McKenzie I think if you actually saw the SC5000M/SC6000M in person and tried them, you'd have no issues with quality - I think those decks are better than anything Pioneer has put out to date feature-wise in that category, and just as good if not better quality-wise. They are comparable in quality with top rane gear too. The LC gear doesn't seem to be their top of the line gear at all imo.
And about Standalone vs Computers and why? Portability and reliability. A computer running software is an extra source of problems - another point of failure in terms of hardware, OS updates breaking things, drivers no longer being supported after an OS update (device not usable anymore), DJ software update regressions, etc. Standalone is the OS and firmware on the device, playing pre-prepared songs on a storage device - there is really no comparison reliabilitywise, and, all of the standalone gear doubles as controllers (VirtualDJ has excellent support for Prime Series gear). The only thing they suffer from currently, is processing power (especially for AI type work like stems), and subpar search nagivation features, but those problems would be overcome/improved eventually (imo, they are the future).
Using Phones/Mobile devices may seem like the future, but they are pretty much the same thing as using a computer, just with a smaller form factor and reintroducing the same problems standalones have - decreased processing power (although Apple Silicon chips are very powerful) and subpar search navigation, and introducing many other problems ( e.g. lack of drivers, much more locked down ecosystems = subpar support of controllers, balancing other mobile specific activities like phone calls, etc) (but hey, they get more iPhones/iPads sold 🤷🏾♂️).
Rane = Turntablists + software centric professional DJs
Denon (especially Prime Series) - standalone with Engine for mobile professional DJs
Everything else (e.g. Numark), with a few exceptions (e.g. Numarl Scratch) = beginner/entry level.
Obviously each brand has a range of differently price gear with different features and quality, but I do think the ultimate focus is as described.
In terms of making a digitized version of the RP7 - very possible, but that is already a niche market and they need to ensure it's viable and have a good roadmap for the future there. Coming out all guns blazing, featurewise could be a bad move if this doesn't work as they hoped, so this first iteration is most likely a "test the waters" and then what you suggested is a natural path. Also remember they still have the RP7000 and 8000 on sale - they don't want to necessarily tread on their sales either.
@DJ Paul McKenzie I think if you actually saw the SC5000M/SC6000M in person and tried them, you'd have no issues with quality - I think those decks are better than anything Pioneer has put out to date feature-wise in that category, and just as good if not better quality-wise. They are comparable in quality with top rane gear too. The LC gear doesn't seem to be their top of the line gear at all imo.
And about Standalone vs Computers and why? Portability and reliability. A computer running software is an extra source of problems - another point of failure in terms of hardware, OS updates breaking things, drivers no longer being supported after an OS update (device not usable anymore), DJ software update regressions, etc. Standalone is the OS and firmware on the device, playing pre-prepared songs on a storage device - there is really no comparison reliabilitywise, and, all of the standalone gear doubles as controllers (VirtualDJ has excellent support for Prime Series gear). The only thing they suffer from currently, is processing power (especially for AI type work like stems), and subpar search nagivation features, but those problems would be overcome/improved eventually (imo, they are the future).
Using Phones/Mobile devices may seem like the future, but they are pretty much the same thing as using a computer, just with a smaller form factor and reintroducing the same problems standalones have - decreased processing power (although Apple Silicon chips are very powerful) and subpar search navigation, and introducing many other problems ( e.g. lack of drivers, much more locked down ecosystems = subpar support of controllers, balancing other mobile specific activities like phone calls, etc) (but hey, they get more iPhones/iPads sold 🤷🏾♂️).
Posted yesterday @ 6:53 pm