Forum: Wishes and new features

Features you would like to see in VirtualDJ
Topic: Wave Form Display Direction - Page: 1
osuarezPRO InfinityMember since 2010
I am a v7 user moving to v8 and I cannot locate the setting to reverse the wave form direction so it goes from left to right, where has that gone?

Posted Mon 12 May 14 @ 11:28 am
osuarezPRO InfinityMember since 2010
I am hearing rumors that this setting was removed in V8, Please tell me it is not so....

Posted Mon 12 May 14 @ 7:32 pm
solidarity! really miss this feature!!

reverse the wave form !reverse the wave form !reverse the wave form !reverse the wave form !reverse the wave form !reverse the wave form !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted Mon 19 May 14 @ 11:21 am
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Yes indeed, this feature is now deprecated. There is a chance however to have it back in a future release, so i am marking this as a request for now.

Posted Mon 19 May 14 @ 11:29 am
danydjPRO InfinityMember since 2003
Me too, reverse....

Posted Mon 19 May 14 @ 2:38 pm
danydjPRO InfinityMember since 2003
"this feature is now deprecate"

It's not true

This current direction of the wave form is not good.

The deck turns left to right, not otherwise....


Posted Thu 22 May 14 @ 3:34 am
I only work for this function to vdj!!!!

Posted Tue 27 May 14 @ 10:08 am
+1
I really would appreciate, to have this back.
I always get confused, when I want to match two songs against the logical flow.

Thomas

Posted Mon 02 Jun 14 @ 10:48 am
danydjPRO InfinityMember since 2003
+100

Posted Mon 02 Jun 14 @ 12:30 pm
frd1963PRO InfinityMember since 2004
In the past, I never understood why VDJ and other software defaulted to the waveform moving from right to left. Coming from turntables, it just seems logical that it would go in the direction that the top of the record moves (as well as the jog wheels for that matter.)
However, it is not the end of the world. I see it as an opportunity to force myself to conform. In the time I have spent playing with VDJ8 (can't use it live yet) I can see that it won't take long to acclimate to the 'backwards' waveform and can actually now see some logic behind that direction too. It is more like the way most audio editing software functions, and if you think about it as a pointer to a point in time, it is moving left to right. You can also think of the jogwheel or turntable as a wheel, and as it turns clockwise, the terrain underneath it moves from right to left. It is starting to make sense.
I would encourage others to try it out this way.
There will always be those who are either not as resilient to change, overly sensitive to opposing opinions, or simply stubborn, though. For that reason, I agree that the option should be available.

Posted Mon 02 Jun 14 @ 12:32 pm
danydjPRO InfinityMember since 2003
You do not change a way of doing.

It's been several years since I remix with wave form left to right.

Now I am wrong especially in fast catching up on old disco and funk

With sounds that have abrupt changes of pace.

Only the visual is used

it is impossible to predict the change only listening

Posted Mon 02 Jun 14 @ 12:41 pm
frd1963 wrote :
like the way most audio editing software functions


Yes exactly. A waveform is represented on screen horizontally, with the beginning on the left. Usually there is a 'play marker' or position indicator that moves from left to right over the waveform as the audio plays. This is exactly what happens in the VDJ deck waveforms.

However, on the top rhythm waveform view the 'marker' doesn't move. It's fixed centrally. Therefore it makes sense for the waveform underneath to move left. Relative to the marker, the waveform moves left.


Posted Mon 02 Jun 14 @ 12:43 pm
yes I want Upgrate to Virtual DJ 8 .
and I miss VD7 of scrolling Inverded.
I have seen that it goes on VD7.
it is better from left to right.
I would very much like to have.
Because it is easier if all waveforms from left to right.
not only the player.
Please make it.



MfG: Dreskr├╝ger

Posted Sun 08 Jun 14 @ 7:21 am
ljaxisPRO InfinityMember since 2013
@ Dreskr├╝ger

+10000000000

To the Dev-Team: Please bring this feature back to VDJ8....... please please please!!!!!!!!

Posted Sun 08 Jun 14 @ 1:39 pm
C'mon people... If the waveform is to move, it should be moving in unison with the record. I have no idea where this ergonomically backward movement started, or why Atomix first chose to copy it (and then everyone else copied them, like the Technics pitch slider), but it's simply wrong, and the option should be there to correct it. You'd think that some of these developers would be smart enough , or maybe brave enough, to think outside the box, occasionally. But, by and large, this seems to be a very copy-cat industry. At least Serato and some others, give you the option of moving the waves to the vertical position on the left side, where (moving upward) they are again in the proper direction.

This is absolutely no different than a car that turns right, when you steer left. Speaking for myself, if I am to be expected to use this software in a professional setting, this issue needs to be addressed ASAP.

Posted Mon 02 Mar 15 @ 1:05 pm
When a track plays, the "needle" (aka playing head) moves from left to right. Is that correct ?
If you "stick" the needle in place so that it can't move, which direction should the waveform move ?
Yes, right, it should move from right to left!
And that's not something VirtualDj invented. It has been the standard since the very first audio editing application come to existence!
It's funny that you mention that upwards moving of the waveforms is normal since it contradicts your other statement for "unison with the record movement"
Assuming that as most people you start to count at "12 o clock" then the record's mark (sticker) moves "downwards" first and then upwards the same way it moves from left to right first and then right to left...
In other words, if you were to follow the first movement of the sticker for horizontal movement you should also follow it for vertical as well.
However yes having the waveforms move upwards is the right direction... Because as needle moves downwards (the first movement you notice), the waves must move upwards if you stick the needle in place...

I'm not here to argue the come-back of the reverse wave setting, which by the way belongs to the wishes forum as it's not a bug.
I'm just arguing that moving from right to left is NOT wrong. It IS the correct direction! :)

Posted Mon 02 Mar 15 @ 2:09 pm
PhantomDeejay wrote :
When a track plays, the "needle" (aka playing head) moves from left to right. Is that correct ?


Well, no. The needle doesn't move at all. Other than swinging across the record to maintain alignment, it is totally stationary.

PhantomDeejay wrote :
If you "stick" the needle in place so that it can't move, which direction should the waveform move ?
Yes, right, it should move from right to left!


Wrong. As I say (and surely you already know), needles are "stuck in place", and records (physical waveforms) move clockwise. That is: left-to-right. If we move it, as you say; "right to left"... the music will play backward..! Ah... there's that word, again.

PhantomDeejay wrote :
And that's not something VirtualDj invented. It has been the standard since the very first audio editing application come to existence!


Isn't that what I said? That everyone is just copying each other? But what you aren't taking into consideration, is that these audio editing programs you speak of, were not DJ programs attempting to facilitate DVS. There, it's a different ball game. You now have a physical 'handle' on the waveform, via the record, platter, etc., that is now moving "backward" (there it is again) in relation to the simulated waveform on the monitor screen. And anyone can see that's no good.

PhantomDeejay wrote :
It's funny that you mention that upwards moving of the waveforms is normal since it contradicts your other statement for "unison with the record movement"
Assuming that as most people you start to count at "12 o clock" then the record's mark (sticker) moves "downwards" first and then upwards the same way it moves from left to right first and then right to left...
In other words, if you were to follow the first movement of the sticker for horizontal movement you should also follow it for vertical as well.
However yes having the waveforms move upwards is the right direction... Because as needle moves downwards (the first movement you notice), the waves must move upwards if you stick the needle in place...


I think you are just confusing yourself here. First.., as we all know, the needle does not move. Second.., yes strictly speaking, the record only moves left to right, at the top (or at "12:00") of it's movement. At the bottom (6:00), it's not only backward, but upside-down as well. So if I was DJing standing on my head, I suppose that would be fine maybe.

Of course on the right side (3:00) it's moving down, and at 9:00, it's moving up. Having said all that, as long as I'm having to work with horizontal waveforms, I want them consistent with the clockwise, left-to-right movement of the physical tool, record, platter, in my hands. You think that's too much to ask...?

PhantomDeejay wrote :
I'm not here to argue the come-back of the reverse wave setting, which by the way belongs to the wishes forum as it's not a bug.
I'm just arguing that moving from right to left is NOT wrong. It IS the correct direction! :)


No, sorry. I'd love to agree with you, but I can't, because you're simply wrong. You just haven't thought it out well enough yet.


Posted Tue 03 Mar 15 @ 1:40 am
AdionPRO InfinityCTOMember since 2006
If you put your turntables in the classic way, then the record moves underneath the needle, with the audio that has not been played at the right side of the needle, and the part that has been played at the left side of the needle.

The main reason it is displayed like this is not because it's like that on a turntable, but because (at least in most parts of the world) all sorts of data is represented left-to-right, with left being smallest/oldest/past, and right being biggest/newest/future.
(I'm not sure if in Hebrew/Arabic it is also common to reverse graphs and timelines, although I can imagine it would)

Posted Tue 03 Mar 15 @ 1:53 am
Exactly Adion.

What Richmond is failing to recognise here (deliberately or otherwise) is that the VDJ waveform displays are not supposed to be emulating a piece of vinyl on a turntable.

If they were, would the ideal representation not be circular? And there wouldn't be a waveform at all, because while we're splitting hairs here, vinyl doesn't have a waveform.

Cuircular, spinning clockwise, no waveform....... Oh hang on, it's called a jogwheel.


Posted Tue 03 Mar 15 @ 3:43 am
Copied & pasted from the FRUiT skin thread.....

Richmond wrote :
Phantom DJ is not God

I never said he was. What I am saying though, is that it's pretty clear from posts (or lack of) here that the vast majority do not think the world is flat - oh sorry, that the waveforms are reversed.

Richmond wrote :
not for me or you to say.

And yet you ARE saying - very loudly. Proudly stating that you know better than the rest of us dimwits who haven't worked it out yet due to lack of brain power.

Richmond wrote :
the waves are representative of that.

No the waves are not representative of the platters or the turntables. They're representing the music.

You really think those are backwards too?
Richmond wrote :
that doesn't bother me, as it basically just serves as a position indicator

The rhythmwave is also a position indicator.

So you're saying that almost every VDJ user here is wrong, plus all the DAW software manufacturers and their employees, all the DJ software manufacturers and their employees, all the audio editing software manufacturers and their employees, PLUS all the millions of people who use DAWs, audio editing software and DJ software on a daily basis? All those companies and people are wrong. They've ALL got it backwards?





Posted Tue 03 Mar 15 @ 4:04 am
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