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Topic: Denon SC5000
The two versions of Denons SC5000 and the X1800 is not yet supported, right? In the pipeline?

Posted Thu 23 Aug 18 @ 5:54 pm
Personally I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole. The player firmware is missing basic functionality, a recent version introduced a cue bug weeks ago that hasn't been fixed yet and Engine Prime itself is horrific. Great hardware let down by poor software and the slowest coding team on the planet.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Denon to do anything.

The first MCX8000 beta was released on 6th March and the beta was pulled 20th April. Since then there has been nothing. Disgraceful.

PhantomDeejay wrote :
Just to clear up a few things:

Since it's presentation to the media, SC5000 Prime was advertised that it WOULD be able to work as a controller at some time in the future. At initial launch, the unit did not offer PC software control ability (because Denon wanted to push it's stand alone playback abilities and the Engine software)
Only today, 2017/11/06 Serato announced support for SC5000 Prime.
However, there's not a single word from Denon as how SC5000 Prime works as a controller. Does it use MIDI ? Does it use HID ? Does it use another proprietary communication protocol ? No one knows (yet)
Without any technical information sheets and without the unit being able to communicate with a software it was impossible for us to do anything up to this point.
Even if we could determine the communication protocol (MIDI/HID/Other) it would be like seeking a needle in a haystack.

At present, we wait to see if Denon is going to release any technical details (such as a MIDI table) or not. Afterwards we'll decide how we're going to proceed now that the unit is finally able to communicate with at least one software.

Posted Thu 23 Aug 18 @ 5:58 pm
I'm waiting for news.
let's hope

is it possible to solicit someone?
my SC5000s are available for testing

Posted Sat 03 Nov 18 @ 7:21 pm
The only person you can solicit is Mr. Denon

Posted Sat 03 Nov 18 @ 7:27 pm
I don't understand why anyone would pay all that money for a standalone player, then want to use it as a MIDI controller.

Posted Sat 03 Nov 18 @ 8:01 pm
My point as well. But the the SC5000 doesn't search by comment or year so maybe a software interface is better :)

It also has a major bug cutting off HF after 18k that Denon are staying silent about.

Waste of money.

Posted Sat 03 Nov 18 @ 8:17 pm
18Khz? Who's complaining about that - bats?!

IMO there's not really much musical content at those kind of freqs anyway, even if you could hear that high.

I can't any more. It's my age, you know. :-)

Posted Sat 03 Nov 18 @ 8:55 pm
My son is 15 and complains CRTs kill him. Us old bastards need not apply

Posted Sat 03 Nov 18 @ 11:16 pm
I found the thread last night and had a quick read through. The phrase "mountain out of a molehill" comes to mind.

If anything, having the extreme highs rolling off is a good thing IMO. The 5000s are most likely to be played through a PA system, not a hifi. PA speakers use compression drivers for HF. Compression drivers have a reputation for sounding "tinny".

I have an EQ preset in a rack DSP for rolling off the highs on my RCF speakers for that very reason.

As some one mentioned in the thread too, it's not very likely anyone's going to come up to you at a gig and say "Excuse me. I just noticed that your audio system is down three decibels at sixteen kilohertz. I'm very disappointed." :-)

Posted Sun 04 Nov 18 @ 8:22 am
AdionPRO InfinityCTOMember since 2006
I don't think you usually want to recallibrate your sound system for every device you plug into it though.
Players and mixers should be flat, so that speakers, amplifiers and sound processors can be properly set up.
At their price point, there should also simply not be any need for such a shallow roll-off. (and from the graphs in that thread, the aliasing in higher frequencies still looks relatively high as well)

Posted Sun 04 Nov 18 @ 8:44 am
groovindj wrote :
I don't understand why anyone would pay all that money for a standalone player, then want to use it as a MIDI controller.

I do understand for several reasons, but my personal main reasons:

I use Pioneer CDJ-2000NXS2 en DJM-900NXS2 just because all artists have this requirement on the rider. So if there are more persons besides me that have to gig on my equipment that evening, it's not a problem.

It is just wonderfull to have a modular setup! If one device breaks down... I have a few others still up and running. If my Laptop breaks down... I still have an emergency USB stick in two players so I can immediately switch over to USB and restart or fix my laptop issue meanwhile...

But.... When I want to use Karaoke or video mixing or I need my mega music database (3Tb) and all the other stuff VDJ can bring me.... I have a bunch of overprised midi controllers :)

The Denon SC5000 is very interesting just because the pricing and dual decks per device AND the pads.... But indeed the software and firmware are not on the pro level yet. With the recent price drop (price is till end December 999 US dollar) it would be a no brainer if you compare the prices and functionality comparing other company's flagships.....
BUt... I haven't seen a rider yet that was asking Denon...

Posted Fri 09 Nov 18 @ 11:54 am
A lot of Denon fans are saying the price drop is a positive thing but I'm not so sure.

Sound to me like they're dumping stock before pulling them. Let's face it the change your rider campaign has fallen flat and both the players and software aren't close to the competition.

I have tried repeatedly to use Prime for my MCX8000 and its very much beta... and has been for s long time now.

Posted Fri 09 Nov 18 @ 12:44 pm
Any hope that vdj will soon support the Denon SC5000s?

Posted Thu 15 Nov 18 @ 1:54 pm
No, Denon haven't allowed it - the required technical information is not available.

Perhaps if enough people question Denon about this, something may be done. Perhaps not...

Posted Thu 15 Nov 18 @ 6:39 pm