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as you know mate theres a lot more to dj'ing than some seem to think.

Well put bluelite.
 
Did my first recorded mix on a CD and it was terrible (in my opinion). It was more like me loading one song and having the BPM determine the next song. I didnt play music by choice, I played it based on the BPMs of the song. I chose songs with the same or close to the same BPM. There was oie point where I had a song the was 85 BPMs and the next song I was going to choose to bring in was 110 BPMs Besides dropping the song in how can one mix that with the BPMs so far apart in tempo? Dont know what I should do about that.
 
Isn't this is what the "Music" forum is for?? This is what is up setting people. No one ever wants to post in the right place. Might aswell have 1 giant forum called " Put What Ever You Want Here".............

Huey



@ Huey..........ahhhhhhhh not that serious man. Your are getting upset over a forum,,,seriously dude? Wow I cant believe you are allowing this minor stuff (such as posting in the wrong forum) to get to you like that. It really isnt that serious. When someone post in the wrong forum I could care less. It does effect your money does it? It doesnt effect your gigs that you get, It doesnt effect your life, it doesnt effect your ability to DJ,,, so why in the hell do you and all these other "Virtual DJ forum Police" let small shit like that get to yall. Life is too short to be worried or getting upset over some bull shit like someone posting in a fuckin forum. If someone post in the wrong forum then hell ,,,just dont read the post. You do have that choice to read it or not. Seriously dude let it go and Get over it! The Virtual DJ Police bullshit is not that serious. If Virtual DJ is your life then dude you may want to start taking more advantage of life because there are definitely more important things in life than police'N forums. Dude get over it It is not that serious.
 
Really bro don't try to police me and it didn't pertain to you. Can't believe you wasted your time typing that out.

You should get out more and take advantage of life
Huey

PS you don't mix tracks that far apart, it'll never sound good. Try to keep it 5 bpm or less apart and you'll never have a problem..
 
PS you don't mix tracks that far apart, it'll never sound good. Try to keep it 5 bpm or less apart and you'll never have a problem..

This is the bottom line ^

I don't see why others are coming out with so many techniques on how to beat match one end of the spectrum with the other. If you are not a dj who spins House, trance or Electro, you have no idea how awful it will sound to go from 128 to 136, or from 138 to 130 beats per minute. In this genre of music, no matter how you slice it dice, or apply it, it just sounds awful.

No disrespect to any of you out there, but although possible, it just doesn't flow, nor does it sound right, therefore the best advice has been given to you about this matter about keeping in in a plus or minus 5bpm.
 
What I do is play something without a beat eg an acapella, if its going to trance I would try to find something deep and moody (preferably female) as the electro track fades out you still have the acapella going then raise the bpm. no one will know but you because unless the crowd is really listening they wont hear it and if you follow with a good track they wont care, if you want to get really tricksy tweek reverb and a filter for heaps of atmosphere

there are a couple of tracks I have edited to include this, eg Break & DJ Die - Slow down. after the final breakdown I just automated the tempo from 178 to 140 to mix dubstep into it sounds good and you can manually correct the pitch so its not grainy
 
it's important to have very tracks for mix. Especially in trance music
 
really? i would beg to differ! although mixing trance can sometimes allow you to get away with energy changes its not good to very in such a way that it spoils what youre doing. no matter what your mixing, in my personal opinion gradual build up is essential. you cant just go dumping 140 tracks onto a 120 without bit being noticed. trance or no trance you stil gotta build your set to an acceptable format.
 
So I got a question: How do you mix 2 different genre music, example rap (65-100bpm) and pop/r&b (100-130bpm) without raising the pitch to a point where one song is going faster then the other one. Let's say you have one song at 65 bpm and another at 90 bpm, if you raise the pitch to match the 90 bpm you will find out that the 65 bpm song is going way to fast.

So how do you bypass this to a point where their pitch is not way off by a lot?

DjHapPeE
 
from your example you have three options... either "A' you don't (but that's no fun) or "B" you mix the faster 100bpm hip hop with the slower 100bpm pop/r&b track, or "C" if your smart you can also mix the 65bpm slow hip hop with the faster 130 bpm pop/r&b. The reason this works is the pop is double time to the hip hop (65 + 65 = 130) "although honestly I have never heard anything made at 65bpm"

And I'm with Huey... people should use the right forums!
 
sounds like a good place to just play a drop.
 
Forget the fact of the difference in Generes, the 3% rule is from the old school train of thought - remember techniques didn't have a key lock so any more and u could really change the vibe of a song. Nowadays w the pitch/key lock it's ok to have a bit more range. I have my pitch set at ten and once in a while I'll hit 12 after that I find moving the pitch slider becomes
much more sensitive.

Learn your counts. Practice practice practice and for the love of (insert the higher power of ur choice here) please do not use the damn sync button!
 
Just let the record PlAy out, fire off the air horn and drop a bomb.
 
QUOTE Synthet1c . . .from your example you have three options... either "A' you don't (but that's no fun) or "B" you mix the faster 100bpm hip hop with the slower 100bpm pop/r&b track, or "C" if your smart you can also mix the 65bpm slow hip hop with the faster 130 bpm pop/r&b. The reason this works is the pop is double time to the hip hop (65 + 65 = 130) "although honestly I have never heard anything made at 65bpm"

And I'm with Huey... people should use the right forums! QUOTE


how well does this work? i know the 65bpm is a bit out of the question, but what about faster tracks, 80-90bpm , there are a lot of 160-180bpm makina tracks i play that i would like to play around with when i get my mixer back.
 
If your talking 90 and 180, that is hip hop and drum n bass, if your mixing acapellas there is no problem at all, if your using full tracks, it can be a bit hard with some tracks as the beat can be off, as there is no set rules for creating hip hop, not the case with drum n bass. but the best way to mix the two is when dnb is building or breaking down so you have some space to introduce more sound and a new beat.

It works for slow rap/crunk 70bpm and breaks, dubstep 140bpm (although dubstep is really 70bpm)

I think you will find UK Grime and Garage around 160bpm I don't really follow it though so I wouldn't know where to start.

I think you should always shift the intensity of your mix up with this technique, that doesn't necessarily mean moving up in tempo but it usually does. Finally the hardest thing is finding tracks that can cross genres but keep the same sound, but I think that's why they make drumstep for drum n bass and dubstep for breaks.

Good luck
 
Try this. Do the pitch change like the others suggest... but enter into a loop first. If you're good you can move the pitch slider to closely match the BPM of the incoming song. Start next song in a loop ahead of time, and then beat match the two loops together. Play with effects. Don't drag it on too long. Release incoming song's loop, eject last played, and load in next song.

Another technique is to slide the pitch down to almost zero and then cut in the next song. The dancers will slow down and then pick up the new pace either slower or faster.

I hope the development team will continue to improve smooth sound at the very low BPMs, because there is still some digital warble. But it's much improved in version 7 over the others. Still needs some work though. I would love to see this improved to make it exactly like dragging your finger on the turntable platter... but with song still in key.

The goal is to make your mix-in controllable. You don't want to get a hot mix going, and then have the vocals mess things up. You'll eventually get to know what songs are loopable and which ones are not. I've been putting a - L for loopable songs in the "artist" field in file info. Then I have an at a glance if the song can loop well.

Loops that are not quite right can now be trimmed with beginning and end (of the loop envelope) adjuster knobs (some skins). But they won't play well on top of a perfect loop. They will un-sync themselves because of the mismatch.

There only used to be one knob that adjusted both ends of the loop envelope at the same time, but now we can adjust each end. Much better now thanks.

Also, you can change the loop's key to match the one playing. Most times that will improve the mix. Harmonic mixing is easy now.


Good luck.

Jim
 
i some times use a pitch increase, backspin and drop to transition between genres, i do like to keep the key the same, although it does change dureing the pitch increaase.

the speedup is noticeable engough to hear the change but when the drop comes in and the key tone reverts it seems worth while.

im not 100% sure on the effect it has on a crowd seeing as im a bedroom/house party dj, although i suppose it depends on what the crowd like. i like to try and cater for a lot of genres but keep the music flowing.

working from house to techno, happy hardcore, makina, jumpstyle, hardstyle and hardcore it my regular angle.

hardcore is hard to get away with a lot as i tend to find the hardcore scene isnt really popular in my area. had and jumpstyle are ok sometimes depending on whuch track selection i use.

i find it annoying sometimes that people arent very open minded when it comes to music and stick with one genre or just mainstream...but hay ho

oh and heres a transition as explained above, ive left the outgoing track complete

http://www.divshare.com/download/15055458-7db

any comments welcome???
 


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