groovindj
JOSETHEDJ wrote :
I'm more of an old school DJ
I'm more of an old school DJ
Same here really. Started with vinyl, then CD, then digital. Don't rely on any of this new fangled tech, just love playing music.
DJs have it so easy these days, with all the readouts of BPM, key, waveform, cue points, loops and of course the sync button. Mixers with more controls than NASA. The first ones I used were more like those old Realistic mixers - just a fader for each input.
Posted Wed 24 Jun 20 @ 8:03 am
JOSETHEDJ
groovindj wrote :
Same here really. Started with vinyl, then CD, then digital. Don't rely on any of this new fangled tech, just love playing music.
DJs have it so easy these days, with all the readouts of BPM, key, waveform, cue points, loops and of course the sync button. Mixers with more controls than NASA. The first ones I used were more like those old Realistic mixers - just a fader for each input.
JOSETHEDJ wrote :
I'm more of an old school DJ
I'm more of an old school DJ
Same here really. Started with vinyl, then CD, then digital. Don't rely on any of this new fangled tech, just love playing music.
DJs have it so easy these days, with all the readouts of BPM, key, waveform, cue points, loops and of course the sync button. Mixers with more controls than NASA. The first ones I used were more like those old Realistic mixers - just a fader for each input.
Amen!
I just sent the VDJ team a support request to see if they can add ASIO support to the HC-4500. It's beyond me that the dev team would drop ASIO support for my controller, but still support about 100 (exageration) other controllers. I'm hopeful and confident that they will get this audio issue fixed.
I'm actually shocked that users have not implored the dev team to fix this. I had no idea because I don't jump on the latest updates or betas. I did for VDJ 2021 because of the new stems feature. I'm glad I did!
Now the dev team will become aware and will do their magic.
Best regards.
Posted Wed 24 Jun 20 @ 10:33 am
groovindj
The old Denon ASIO drivers were blocked by Atomix because they were unreliable. It wasn't just the HC-4500 that was affected. There are threads about it if you search.
There are also threads covering how to get various Denon devices working with WASAPI (which is a sort of Microsoft ASIO) drivers.
I seem to remember even digging out my old HC-4500 from the archives to make sure everything worked.
Really it's much easier to move with the times and use current computers with current operating systems, and current equipment with current drivers.
There are also threads covering how to get various Denon devices working with WASAPI (which is a sort of Microsoft ASIO) drivers.
I seem to remember even digging out my old HC-4500 from the archives to make sure everything worked.
Really it's much easier to move with the times and use current computers with current operating systems, and current equipment with current drivers.
Posted Wed 24 Jun 20 @ 10:49 am
JOSETHEDJ
groovindj wrote :
The old Denon ASIO drivers were blocked by Atomix because they were unreliable. It wasn't just the HC-4500 that was affected. There are threads about it if you search.
There are also threads covering how to get various Denon devices working with WASAPI (which is a sort of Microsoft ASIO) drivers.
I seem to remember even digging out my old HC-4500 from the archives to make sure everything worked.
Really it's much easier to move with the times and use current computers with current operating systems, and current equipment with current drivers.
There are also threads covering how to get various Denon devices working with WASAPI (which is a sort of Microsoft ASIO) drivers.
I seem to remember even digging out my old HC-4500 from the archives to make sure everything worked.
Really it's much easier to move with the times and use current computers with current operating systems, and current equipment with current drivers.
Got it!
I received a response from the support team and it looks like they are moving on to bigger and greater things. I wish them luck!
It looks like they want me to do the same.
Cheers!
Posted Wed 24 Jun 20 @ 2:28 pm
LIMOL
it is too bad for you,
I never used Denon's asio
because I'm using the Audio 8 DJ sound card
I never used Denon's asio
because I'm using the Audio 8 DJ sound card
Posted Wed 24 Jun 20 @ 4:03 pm
JOSETHEDJ
LIMOL wrote :
it is too bad for you,
I never used Denon's asio
because I'm using the Audio 8 DJ sound card
I never used Denon's asio
because I'm using the Audio 8 DJ sound card
The Maya44 USB works with VDJ 2021, the Denon HC4500, and Win 10 2004.
Those who seek shall find.
Posted Thu 25 Jun 20 @ 11:00 am
groovindj
Haha, I was going to suggest that yesterday :-)
Posted Thu 25 Jun 20 @ 11:02 am
JOSETHEDJ
groovindj wrote :
Haha, I was going to suggest that yesterday :-)
2 days ago I posted on this thread:
"Anyway, before I reset my computer to Win7, I managed to get VDJ 2021 working with my old Maya44 USB. I have two Maya44s that I stopped using after I bought two DN4500s. The stems feature is very nice, but not so great with Latin music. The sound quality was good but my old sound effects did not work."
Posted Thu 25 Jun 20 @ 12:09 pm
groovindj
Yes, I saw that - but you didn't specifically say that you were using the MAYA with the HC-4500 to replace the audio output.
Posted Thu 25 Jun 20 @ 12:35 pm
Stephane Clavel
JOSETHEDJ wrote :
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just because it's newer it doesn't make it better. I have 4 original 1200 and a UREI mixer that are about 30 years old. I would not trade them for 10 Denon Prime units.
I've already rest my computer back to my trusty Win 7 and all is good with the world.
groovindj wrote :
I doubt very many people are still using the HC-4500. Most of us have moved on :-)
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just because it's newer it doesn't make it better. I have 4 original 1200 and a UREI mixer that are about 30 years old. I would not trade them for 10 Denon Prime units.
I've already rest my computer back to my trusty Win 7 and all is good with the world.
Nobody's here to judge.
If you're comfortable with your setup, and it works for you, then it's all good.
Just a quick question though, by simple curiosity: which phone are you using? are you on a nokia from 20 years ago, that can do calls just as good, and would never crash, or did you upgrade to a modern iphone or android phone?
Posted Thu 25 Jun 20 @ 4:17 pm
JOSETHEDJ
Stephane Clavel wrote :
Nobody's here to judge.
If you're comfortable with your setup, and it works for you, then it's all good.
Just a quick question though, by simple curiosity: which phone are you using? are you on a nokia from 20 years ago, that can do calls just as good, and would never crash, or did you upgrade to a modern iphone or android phone?
JOSETHEDJ wrote :
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just because it's newer it doesn't make it better. I have 4 original 1200 and a UREI mixer that are about 30 years old. I would not trade them for 10 Denon Prime units.
I've already rest my computer back to my trusty Win 7 and all is good with the world.
groovindj wrote :
I doubt very many people are still using the HC-4500. Most of us have moved on :-)
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just because it's newer it doesn't make it better. I have 4 original 1200 and a UREI mixer that are about 30 years old. I would not trade them for 10 Denon Prime units.
I've already rest my computer back to my trusty Win 7 and all is good with the world.
Nobody's here to judge.
If you're comfortable with your setup, and it works for you, then it's all good.
Just a quick question though, by simple curiosity: which phone are you using? are you on a nokia from 20 years ago, that can do calls just as good, and would never crash, or did you upgrade to a modern iphone or android phone?
I'm still on an old moto flip phone and beeper.
Posted Fri 26 Jun 20 @ 11:02 am
acw_dj
I would preserve my HC-4500 but because I love good quality audio out (like an Urei brings IE), I use an studio audio interface to bring that audio fidelity quality to my mix.
HC-4500 is a Denon designed hardware. They fault was trying to support USB 1.1 in a time where it wasn't good to do it. Looking to the past instead in the present and the future. Because of this, they do not allow the HC-4500 work in 24 bits in 4 way out, just in stereo (can tell why?) so it has to be set in 16 bits to use it in four way out effectively. Was ok many years because it's ASIO drivers allow to work in the way it should work, giving the same audio presence in all channels. Denon drop support on this aged controller, and just because of this, leave you without a way to use it in any recent computer (with Windows 10 since 2014). Atomix doing an extra step, have a work around to still use this controller with latest VirtualDJ 2021 and Windows 10 64 bits. Using it with Windows drivers (WASAPI) but need an specific way to set it it up to accomplish because of this faulty design in this controller from Denon.
HC4500 audio built in interface that does not support quadraphonic audio but a 3.1 audio out, giving less audio bandwith to channels 3 and 4 because were consider as a central and subwoofer out (3.1) and not full range speakers as should be like a front-rear out (quadraphonic) instead.
HC-4500 was wrong audio designed (do I mention I still have one?) I also know what SL-1200 are (used) and still have a pair of SL-1210MK2 too and preserve my old 1990 booth now days (but this does not mean I still use it on each gig)
We can ride old cars and love simplicity of life, but this is 2020 and the new ways to do things, lead us to evolved or die. If you want to use your HC-4500 is ok, BUT need to solve the audio bad performance it has now days because of Denon drop support to it. Add a studio hi quality sound card interface to your setup and pair it to the Urei audio quality you were use to have.
To however love an Urei and SL-1200 with fine cartridges to perform the best audio quality, trying to use a HC-4500 without a finest audio interface is non sense to me.
Technology can be preserved for a museum, but using a deprecated OS (full of security issues and without any new hardware support) is a way for failure. Been informed, change your computer after some time (5 years?) with current and supported OS is the way to get a healthy 21th Century living. I am not telling you to just jump to each new OS out there, but Windows 10 is 6 years old now, it is better in many ways now that it was Windows 7 in it's best days. Can do more and can work better and SAFER with all security updates done to preserve your virtual (digital) integrity in the present day in the best way it can be done now.
Here is how to set the HC-4500 in any Windows OS (from 7 to 10) and latest VirtualDJ software too.
HC-4500 is a Denon designed hardware. They fault was trying to support USB 1.1 in a time where it wasn't good to do it. Looking to the past instead in the present and the future. Because of this, they do not allow the HC-4500 work in 24 bits in 4 way out, just in stereo (can tell why?) so it has to be set in 16 bits to use it in four way out effectively. Was ok many years because it's ASIO drivers allow to work in the way it should work, giving the same audio presence in all channels. Denon drop support on this aged controller, and just because of this, leave you without a way to use it in any recent computer (with Windows 10 since 2014). Atomix doing an extra step, have a work around to still use this controller with latest VirtualDJ 2021 and Windows 10 64 bits. Using it with Windows drivers (WASAPI) but need an specific way to set it it up to accomplish because of this faulty design in this controller from Denon.
HC4500 audio built in interface that does not support quadraphonic audio but a 3.1 audio out, giving less audio bandwith to channels 3 and 4 because were consider as a central and subwoofer out (3.1) and not full range speakers as should be like a front-rear out (quadraphonic) instead.
HC-4500 was wrong audio designed (do I mention I still have one?) I also know what SL-1200 are (used) and still have a pair of SL-1210MK2 too and preserve my old 1990 booth now days (but this does not mean I still use it on each gig)
We can ride old cars and love simplicity of life, but this is 2020 and the new ways to do things, lead us to evolved or die. If you want to use your HC-4500 is ok, BUT need to solve the audio bad performance it has now days because of Denon drop support to it. Add a studio hi quality sound card interface to your setup and pair it to the Urei audio quality you were use to have.
To however love an Urei and SL-1200 with fine cartridges to perform the best audio quality, trying to use a HC-4500 without a finest audio interface is non sense to me.
Technology can be preserved for a museum, but using a deprecated OS (full of security issues and without any new hardware support) is a way for failure. Been informed, change your computer after some time (5 years?) with current and supported OS is the way to get a healthy 21th Century living. I am not telling you to just jump to each new OS out there, but Windows 10 is 6 years old now, it is better in many ways now that it was Windows 7 in it's best days. Can do more and can work better and SAFER with all security updates done to preserve your virtual (digital) integrity in the present day in the best way it can be done now.
Here is how to set the HC-4500 in any Windows OS (from 7 to 10) and latest VirtualDJ software too.
Posted Sun 05 Jul 20 @ 4:49 pm
