Forum: VirtualDJ 8.2 Technical Support
(NOTE: VirtualDJ 8.2 is continuously updated, so many older topic on this forum are most probably already fixed in the current build)
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Topic: Virtual DJ and Ableton Live 9
I tried to configure rewire in VDJ but I cannot see any configs that control rewire. The dropdown does not show rewire as a device. See my config below:
First I start VDJ, then Live. Live tells me the following when it starts:
Can anyone please help me with this??
Live and VDJ are 32 Bit installs btw.
Posted Mon 23 Oct 17 @ 8:10 pm
Have a read here: https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209774305-Using-Live-and-ReWire
And then here: https://it.virtualdj.com/manuals/virtualdj8/settings/audiosetup/rewire.html
Indicated by your second screen shot, it looks like you need to set one application as a slave. I personally would think that I would want Ableton as the slave application. You may have limitations one way or the other and this should determine what the best master and slave combination for your workflow should be.
Think of the slave application like an extra deck or source. You would virtually "plug" Ableton into a deck in VDJ using ReWire. That would make VDJ responsible for the final mixing and output of all audio sources.
Also, I think the midi pass through in ReWire is just for beat grid syncing and not to use your VMS 4.1 in both applications. Just a note as I can see how that phrase could be confusing and it sounded like you want to use your controller for both applications. I am not sure that is possible.
Give those a read and see if it helps.
Posted Tue 24 Oct 17 @ 2:44 pm
Posted Tue 24 Oct 17 @ 2:54 pm
But now - I cannot believe it - I turned on my VMS 4.1 controller - after 1 sec it just goes off again. Seems like its broke - aaaaarghhhh...
Ok, calmed down...
It is still hard to understand. If Ableton is the slave - the only chance I have is to play a track in Ableton and have it output to VDJ as you wrote. My plan was I control the decks and track using VDJ, but would be able to apply effects from Ableton to the single decks... That would mean VDJ needs to pass every single deck into Ableton where it could then apply all the heaps of filters available there. Am I wrong here? Any idea how the setup would need to be to achieve this? That would not mean I would like to control both with one Controller...
Really appreciated your help on this! Hope my controller magically revives itself over night :(
Posted Tue 24 Oct 17 @ 7:57 pm
A lot of limitations!
Posted Tue 24 Oct 17 @ 8:06 pm
dash1988 wrote :
My plan was I control the decks and track using VDJ, but would be able to apply effects from Ableton to the single decks... That would mean VDJ needs to pass every single deck into Ableton where it could then apply all the heaps of filters available there. Am I wrong here? Any idea how the setup would need to be to achieve this?
VDJ can support VST plugins. Just put copies of any 32 bit VST dll plugin file in the C:\Users\YOUR_USER_NAME\Documents\VirtualDJ\Plugins\SoundEffect
I think routing VDJ through Ableton would add too much delay between the headphones on your controller and the main output of Ableton to be able to beat match by ear. I find the same delay issue if I use 3 VSTs (EQ, Compressor & Limiter) at the same time in VDJ. I was playing with that idea to make better sound at smaller shows when I don't have room for a small rack of hardware to be next to me.
Really, your workflow should be VDJ master for live performance, or Ableton master for composing. Routing VDJ through Ableton just does not make much sense in a live performance situation. I may be wrong because I have little experience in Ableton, but I imagine the best way to use Ableton with VDJ in a live situation is to beat match tracks in VDJ to loops or back tracks you made in Ableton. In a live situation, I would think you would want to have some way to control Ableton without switching windows all the time too. I respect that you want to compose live for your audience and I may get roasted for this, but unless you are a huge name I don't think it is fully necessary to even involve Ableton. Especially not for just using the internal VSTs they have.
I think the question on my mind here is, what plugins specifically do you want to use in Ableton? Then we could work on getting VSTs into the Sound Effects folder on VDJ. That would keep your delays down. Check out Splice.com for VST plugin options, many of which are free. They have a whole section for that.
As for the controller, make sure your sound card did not get changed when you were playing with the Ableton connection. I find this same problem when I get my show prep done at home, I set my sound card to the internal laptop one and I forget to change it back to my NS7 iii when I get set up at my next show. Also VDJ - Settings - Controllers. Select your VMS 4.1 and make sure it is set for Left deck / Right deck. Or Deck 1 & 2.
Posted Wed 25 Oct 17 @ 1:39 pm
The controller is not even connected to the laptop. Power on - LED's working for a second and then fade out again. It is also not anymore recognized as usb device when I connect it...
Posted Thu 26 Oct 17 @ 11:37 am
Also type "Loop" in the search and between Loop Out, Shrink Loop and Filter Roll, you could map those to the crossfader to do something very close to what they show in that video and in a much simpler way.
Just remember, people are not inspecting your live sets to be as flawless and technical as your recordings. I have a long story about learning that lesson for myself if you ever care to hear it. Bottom line is that is a cool transition effect. It just depends on who your target audience is.
People notice flaws in recordings because they tend to listen to them over and over is some mundane situation. Car, workout.. Perhaps your music is the focus in cases of a demo. But live, they only hear it once. When you are live you are generally not the only focus in a party setting. People drink and socialize. Chances of them noticing small detail or mistakes are slim to none. I feel like even live music volume levels even masks some detail. So don't get too carried away.
Also if you do code a transition in VDJ, you are kind of stuck with it the entire night. You probably want to mix your transitions up a bit rather than a Shrinking loop, Filtering and fading into the next song, for 60 or so songs. You could however mix and record a couple songs that way in Ableton and then just put those pre recorded mashups in your set somewhere for some added fair. If anyone does notice/care and has experience to pick apart what you just did, they will be wondering how you did it. Mashups are just as cool as remixes sometimes and remixes almost never get done live. If I were you, that is where I would focus my energy. Sprinkle flare/tricks in your sets. Nobody will care or probably even know it wasn't live. Then you can get back to reading your crowd and pumping them up.
As for the controller, I have no experience with that model.
Posted Thu 26 Oct 17 @ 4:23 pm
Nice idea of "prepping" things up and then just playing them out. Will try that out. Maybe I get something like the above effect setup using some filters available - either in VDJ or splice.
Got myself the VMS 5 now - grrrr...
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