streaming_DJ
With 2009 approaching and the NAMM 2009 show just around the corner, I think it’s prudent for me to write where I would like to see Virtual DJ going forward.
I personally think that Virtual DJ core business model needs to be revamped in order for them to remain not only competitive but also viable in this aggressive digital market. VDJ can be considered as the pioneer application in software video mixing and I find it disheartening to see its competitors making LEAPS and BOUNDS in this particular field. We all must admit that VDJ offers a nice solid software with tons of Bells and Whistles for home use or professional events BUT, yes there’s a BIG BUT, consideration must now be obdurately focus to the hardware aspect of the users. There are times when I wonder if the Dev Team had eliminate a lot of these features and focus on the hardware aspect, if most VDJ users would be happier.
This is where VDJ has fell down over the years, maybe they had the phenomenal intention/idea of allowing users to plug n play several off the shelf controllers onto the application and be very happy, well on the contrary this in the long run is not the best. VDJ development team has to move away from developing the application side and lobby for a joint venture with a pre-dominant hardware company to make a VDJ timecode box / VDJ Controller solely for their application.
If we remove our blinkers for a while, we can clearly see that this is where DJ/VJ field is gearing towards, CONTROLLERS and VDJ should capitalize on this from the onset. To emphasize my point we can observe the new edition of Serato, ITCH which gears towards controllers and I see two nice controllers VCi-300 and the Ns7 coming out with this brand, where is VDJ in all of this?
I would really appreciate if the Management Team could inform us loyal users as to where ATOMIX is going and what we can expect from Virtual DJ in 2009, which will bring us on par to the competition out there.
I’m a loyal fan/user of VDJ however I feel a bit frustrated when a sweet controller comes out like the VCi-300 and I cannot use it on my core VJ application.
If anyone wants to add what their 0.02 cents, feel free to do so.
I personally think that Virtual DJ core business model needs to be revamped in order for them to remain not only competitive but also viable in this aggressive digital market. VDJ can be considered as the pioneer application in software video mixing and I find it disheartening to see its competitors making LEAPS and BOUNDS in this particular field. We all must admit that VDJ offers a nice solid software with tons of Bells and Whistles for home use or professional events BUT, yes there’s a BIG BUT, consideration must now be obdurately focus to the hardware aspect of the users. There are times when I wonder if the Dev Team had eliminate a lot of these features and focus on the hardware aspect, if most VDJ users would be happier.
This is where VDJ has fell down over the years, maybe they had the phenomenal intention/idea of allowing users to plug n play several off the shelf controllers onto the application and be very happy, well on the contrary this in the long run is not the best. VDJ development team has to move away from developing the application side and lobby for a joint venture with a pre-dominant hardware company to make a VDJ timecode box / VDJ Controller solely for their application.
If we remove our blinkers for a while, we can clearly see that this is where DJ/VJ field is gearing towards, CONTROLLERS and VDJ should capitalize on this from the onset. To emphasize my point we can observe the new edition of Serato, ITCH which gears towards controllers and I see two nice controllers VCi-300 and the Ns7 coming out with this brand, where is VDJ in all of this?
I would really appreciate if the Management Team could inform us loyal users as to where ATOMIX is going and what we can expect from Virtual DJ in 2009, which will bring us on par to the competition out there.
I’m a loyal fan/user of VDJ however I feel a bit frustrated when a sweet controller comes out like the VCi-300 and I cannot use it on my core VJ application.
If anyone wants to add what their 0.02 cents, feel free to do so.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 8:29 pm
digitalwiz
hey streaming_dj - be careful what you wish for
First you say VDJ should partner with a prominent hardware company and ensure that a specific controller be created soley for VDJ
(correct me if i am wrong)
then you wish that a controller created for another software be able to work with VDJ...
Hypothetically .. lets say VDJ was created solely with a specific controller or set of controllers ... then the controllers that you now wish you could be using would still not be native....and would still remain out if reach (wouldn't it?...)
VDJ facilitates a wide range of controllers.. and because of this.. so many of us can wish on the new controllers we see coming out... because somewhere down the line...it will either become native.. or a user will make a great xml map for it.
Many users have found controllers that works for them... others like us just have not found that controller as yet.. so we keep looking..(bear in mind that for you and I... there is no chance of testing before buying or returning if we are not satisfied)
So while I share your sentiments and understand the wish for VDJ to have a great controller like the Vestax-300 and the NS7 (yes those controllers should have been put out with VDJ), many users have found the one that works for them...at the time. I guess the truth is VDJ has given us quite a few options and possibilities even to the point of making the SL1 box native
The NS7 - I hear will work well with VDJ
As for the Vestax - I guess .. it being native in VDJ is just wishful thinking
First you say VDJ should partner with a prominent hardware company and ensure that a specific controller be created soley for VDJ
(correct me if i am wrong)
then you wish that a controller created for another software be able to work with VDJ...
Hypothetically .. lets say VDJ was created solely with a specific controller or set of controllers ... then the controllers that you now wish you could be using would still not be native....and would still remain out if reach (wouldn't it?...)
VDJ facilitates a wide range of controllers.. and because of this.. so many of us can wish on the new controllers we see coming out... because somewhere down the line...it will either become native.. or a user will make a great xml map for it.
Many users have found controllers that works for them... others like us just have not found that controller as yet.. so we keep looking..(bear in mind that for you and I... there is no chance of testing before buying or returning if we are not satisfied)
So while I share your sentiments and understand the wish for VDJ to have a great controller like the Vestax-300 and the NS7 (yes those controllers should have been put out with VDJ), many users have found the one that works for them...at the time. I guess the truth is VDJ has given us quite a few options and possibilities even to the point of making the SL1 box native
The NS7 - I hear will work well with VDJ
As for the Vestax - I guess .. it being native in VDJ is just wishful thinking
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 9:09 pm
streaming_DJ
you dont have to use the @ sign yet Wizzy, I'm the only one who has posted so far, but what VDJ can do is make a variant of VDJ like what Serato did with ITCH. We got the VCi-300, attached it to my friend's Laptop which also has both Srcatch Live and ITCH installed, opened Scratch Live, and guess what, it did not detect it which simply means that VCi-300 was coded around Serato ITCH.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 9:33 pm
SBDJ
This has been discussed many times. IMHO there are already masses of controllers and soundcards that work perfectly, and I personally like having that choice to use whatever I want, whatever connectivity, form factor and functionality suits me. I guess I'm also fairly lucky in that if I don't like how something is implemented, I can write a plugin to change it for myself.
If you want an all-in-one solution, you could look at the various Numark offerings which are hardware/software bundles.
VDJ has better controller support than any of it's video competitors, I'm interested to hear how you think VDJ is behind the likes of Itch?!
If you want an all-in-one solution, you could look at the various Numark offerings which are hardware/software bundles.
VDJ has better controller support than any of it's video competitors, I'm interested to hear how you think VDJ is behind the likes of Itch?!
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 9:47 pm
streaming_DJ
SBDJ wrote :
This has been discussed many times. IMHO there are already masses of controllers and soundcards that work perfectly, and I personally like having that choice to use whatever I want, whatever connectivity, form factor and functionality suits me. I guess I'm also fairly lucky in that if I don't like how something is implemented, I can write a plugin to change it for myself.
If you want an all-in-one solution, you could look at the various Numark offerings which are hardware/software bundles.
VDJ has better controller support than any of it's video competitors, I'm interested to hear how you think VDJ is behind the likes of Itch?!
If you want an all-in-one solution, you could look at the various Numark offerings which are hardware/software bundles.
VDJ has better controller support than any of it's video competitors, I'm interested to hear how you think VDJ is behind the likes of Itch?!
I personally would feel much more comfortable @ a HUGE GIG like Superbowl with a complete setup tagging Brand Atomix/VDJ rather than a 3rd party controllers/soundcards...
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 9:50 pm
SBDJ
Is the branding of your equipment really that important? Anyway, you won't get your wish - Atomix is a software company, not a hardware company.
If you're using Itch and the VCI-300, you aren't using a "Serato" branded system, you are using Serato software with Vestax hardware - and it's branded as such. Serato have partnered with companies like Numark and Vestax to make this equipment. No different to what VDJ have also done with Numark and Hercules for example.
Personally I think being able to mix and match what I use rocks. It allows me to have different configurations for different things - I'm currently using an Ecler Evo 5 and a Denon DN-HC4500. I also have a TCV setup, and also an Xponent setup. I'm also considering a Denon DN-HS5500CD setup too. It's all premium branded stuff - and far more recognisable than the Atomix/VDJ brand to most customers and punters if you care about such things ;)
If you're using Itch and the VCI-300, you aren't using a "Serato" branded system, you are using Serato software with Vestax hardware - and it's branded as such. Serato have partnered with companies like Numark and Vestax to make this equipment. No different to what VDJ have also done with Numark and Hercules for example.
Personally I think being able to mix and match what I use rocks. It allows me to have different configurations for different things - I'm currently using an Ecler Evo 5 and a Denon DN-HC4500. I also have a TCV setup, and also an Xponent setup. I'm also considering a Denon DN-HS5500CD setup too. It's all premium branded stuff - and far more recognisable than the Atomix/VDJ brand to most customers and punters if you care about such things ;)
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 10:00 pm
streaming_DJ
Its not jus about BRANDING per se, BRANDING simply that a lot of R & D was placed into the software / hardware under all instances/circumstances. When we mix match stuff, we are like lab rats, spending money with the hope of it working flawlessly and if it doesnt, then we are back to square one, right back @ the drawing board spending more money.
That's why I mentioned in my first post about business model, tons of companies set out on a particular path with the intention of never ever changing their core functions and a lot of them right this day sorry they didnt.
We must always understand that this world is a very dynamic one which we business owners have to adapt to or just fall by the way side. All I'm saying SBDJ is that the scope is changing now and there is an obvious demand for a particular product, why not tell me as a customer that you will do a qualitative/quantative/feasibilty research to see the results rather than just stating that IT IS THIS WAY AND WILL NEVER CHANGE. Wrong approach my friend, very wrong.
That's why I mentioned in my first post about business model, tons of companies set out on a particular path with the intention of never ever changing their core functions and a lot of them right this day sorry they didnt.
We must always understand that this world is a very dynamic one which we business owners have to adapt to or just fall by the way side. All I'm saying SBDJ is that the scope is changing now and there is an obvious demand for a particular product, why not tell me as a customer that you will do a qualitative/quantative/feasibilty research to see the results rather than just stating that IT IS THIS WAY AND WILL NEVER CHANGE. Wrong approach my friend, very wrong.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 10:16 pm
streaming_DJ
digitalwiz wrote :
hey streaming_dj - be careful what you wish for
First you say VDJ should partner with a prominent hardware company and ensure that a specific controller be created soley for VDJ
(correct me if i am wrong)
then you wish that a controller created for another software be able to work with VDJ...
Hypothetically .. lets say VDJ was created solely with a specific controller or set of controllers ... then the controllers that you now wish you could be using would still not be native....and would still remain out if reach (wouldn't it?...)
VDJ facilitates a wide range of controllers.. and because of this.. so many of us can wish on the new controllers we see coming out... because somewhere down the line...it will either become native.. or a user will make a great xml map for it.
Many users have found controllers that works for them... others like us just have not found that controller as yet.. so we keep looking..(bear in mind that for you and I... there is no chance of testing before buying or returning if we are not satisfied)
So while I share your sentiments and understand the wish for VDJ to have a great controller like the Vestax-300 and the NS7 (yes those controllers should have been put out with VDJ), many users have found the one that works for them...at the time. I guess the truth is VDJ has given us quite a few options and possibilities even to the point of making the SL1 box native
The NS7 - I hear will work well with VDJ
As for the Vestax - I guess .. it being native in VDJ is just wishful thinking
First you say VDJ should partner with a prominent hardware company and ensure that a specific controller be created soley for VDJ
(correct me if i am wrong)
then you wish that a controller created for another software be able to work with VDJ...
Hypothetically .. lets say VDJ was created solely with a specific controller or set of controllers ... then the controllers that you now wish you could be using would still not be native....and would still remain out if reach (wouldn't it?...)
VDJ facilitates a wide range of controllers.. and because of this.. so many of us can wish on the new controllers we see coming out... because somewhere down the line...it will either become native.. or a user will make a great xml map for it.
Many users have found controllers that works for them... others like us just have not found that controller as yet.. so we keep looking..(bear in mind that for you and I... there is no chance of testing before buying or returning if we are not satisfied)
So while I share your sentiments and understand the wish for VDJ to have a great controller like the Vestax-300 and the NS7 (yes those controllers should have been put out with VDJ), many users have found the one that works for them...at the time. I guess the truth is VDJ has given us quite a few options and possibilities even to the point of making the SL1 box native
The NS7 - I hear will work well with VDJ
As for the Vestax - I guess .. it being native in VDJ is just wishful thinking
Quite paradox how you mention how I must be careful what I wish for but have all of 3 threads running now about controllers:
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/101715/General_Discussion/Denon_DN_1200_-_Midi_Controller_CD_USB.html
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/101671/General_Discussion/SERATO_SETUP_____IN_ALL_MAJOR_CLUBS.html
http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/101618/General_Discussion/CHOOSING_THE_PERFECT_CONTROLLER__.html
Now you tell me if a complete solution from Atomix wouldnt solve all your poblems....
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 10:25 pm
Charlie Wilson
Allen and Heath designed the zone 3D and 4D for Ableton, imagine the same quality mixer/midi controller for VDJ! I would buy one straight away.
Before any manufacturer starts putting controllers togther they should do a poll on the forums so that they get the specs right, this is something hercules sould of done with the remix.
Before any manufacturer starts putting controllers togther they should do a poll on the forums so that they get the specs right, this is something hercules sould of done with the remix.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 10:26 pm
sirkitbreaker
this request looks good but dicected makes no since..... the main point is wanting to use virtualDJ with a dedicated controller..... that means you need to cater your style to a specific controller. I think the oipposite is actually the future. All in one controllers that run what ever software i choose. The NS7 is for the most part as close as we will get to the allinone that works with virtual dj and many will complain or state it is missing x,y or z..... the vci-300 is also proof that that idea is far from perfect..... people have already started thier want and wish list for the controller/software. I think the future lies in the performer not the software or the tools. Digital djng is still yound. we have yet to see the grandmaster flash ect of the digital relm. Digital dj's are still 'copying' analog djing. the software and controllers should branch out and offer more. what i like is when i see a controller mapped specifically for an individual and allows them to be unique.
so like i said the hardware specific i feel is not a good idea. lets use the vci-300 as an example.... serato itch actually can not expand much cause there are only so many buttons on the hardware.....plus you spend 1000 dollarsds on gear and you see a new software that you would like to try are you willing to spend 1000 more cause a demo does no good if you need hardware. the idea of having perfect hardware to run any software i choose is a better idea for future investing if you ask me.
ps if you goto itch's forum you will see a lot of people wishing itch to 'do this like traktor or do this like virtual dj' even people complain cause its not exactly like serato scratch.... so point being even that marraige is flawed. most are basically saying 'can i have the vci-300 and traktor instead of the fries that come with the happy meal'
so like i said the hardware specific i feel is not a good idea. lets use the vci-300 as an example.... serato itch actually can not expand much cause there are only so many buttons on the hardware.....plus you spend 1000 dollarsds on gear and you see a new software that you would like to try are you willing to spend 1000 more cause a demo does no good if you need hardware. the idea of having perfect hardware to run any software i choose is a better idea for future investing if you ask me.
ps if you goto itch's forum you will see a lot of people wishing itch to 'do this like traktor or do this like virtual dj' even people complain cause its not exactly like serato scratch.... so point being even that marraige is flawed. most are basically saying 'can i have the vci-300 and traktor instead of the fries that come with the happy meal'
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 10:44 pm
SBDJ
streaming_DJ wrote :
Its not jus about BRANDING per se, BRANDING simply that a lot of R & D was placed into the software / hardware under all instances/circumstances. When we mix match stuff, we are like lab rats, spending money with the hope of it working flawlessly and if it doesnt, then we are back to square one, right back @ the drawing board spending more money.
It's really not some voodoo art, and you aren't a lab rat. You look at a piece of hardware, you look at it's specifications and see if it's suitable for you. If possible, befriend a hardware vendor - then you can pop round theirs and test it out too. If it is suitable, you buy it. You then test it extensively. If it works great, if it works but is not ideal you either fix or return it. I've never bought hardware that didn't work as I expected. But then I do my research rather than just buying things - there's never been any "hope" involved. Hoping is what I would consider to be the wrong approach personally.
Is that how you would buy something like a car - or would you put some time, effort and a test drive into your purchase?
streaming_DJ wrote :
We must always understand that this world is a very dynamic one which we business owners have to adapt to or just fall by the way side. All I'm saying SBDJ is that the scope is changing now and there is an obvious demand for a particular product, why not tell me as a customer that you will do a qualitative/quantative/feasibilty research to see the results rather than just stating that IT IS THIS WAY AND WILL NEVER CHANGE. Wrong approach my friend, very wrong.
I adapt just fine thanks, if Atomix started producing hardware I would look at it, but treat it exactly the same as any other piece of hardware I look into. I can't see them just suddenly starting to produce top quality hardware that rivals that from Ecler, Korg and A&H. It would be a massive cost outlay and take lots of time - unless a partner company produced it - which is exactly what happens now.
I suppose as new versions come out with extra software features, you'd then be expecting a new piece of hardware every time to add more flexibility and control of these features? I can see the complaining that VDJ controller X is crap because it doesn't give easy access to all the latest and greatest toys.
Charlie - that Xone:4D is a fantastic mixer, I had a quick play on one a while back. I'm waiting to hear back on some technical specs, but I'm considering ordering one to replace my Evo 5 to use with VDJ..
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 10:49 pm
streaming_DJ
From the reasoning waveband emitting here, now I see why applications such as Serato will always be ahead,
Firstly, only a Pro user possesses the cognitive skills to mapping buttons/keys to a software, so bascically ure saying, if ure not computer savvy, dont invest into VDJ then :(
Secondly its an execellent business approach to try and penetrate the market/niche when it is young, not when it is saturated.
Thirdly, there is absoultely no substitute for TRUE PLUG n PLAY eg. Serato
Fourth and last, if Serato was doing something wrong, why does from novice to the professional digital DJ globally owns and love this package/solution ???
DONT YOU GUYS GET IT...................
Firstly, only a Pro user possesses the cognitive skills to mapping buttons/keys to a software, so bascically ure saying, if ure not computer savvy, dont invest into VDJ then :(
Secondly its an execellent business approach to try and penetrate the market/niche when it is young, not when it is saturated.
Thirdly, there is absoultely no substitute for TRUE PLUG n PLAY eg. Serato
Fourth and last, if Serato was doing something wrong, why does from novice to the professional digital DJ globally owns and love this package/solution ???
DONT YOU GUYS GET IT...................
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 11:08 pm
SBDJ
streaming_DJ wrote :
From the reasoning waveband emitting here, now I see why applications such as Serato will always be ahead,
Firstly, only a Pro user possesses the cognitive skills to mapping buttons/keys to a software, so bascically ure saying, if ure not computer savvy, dont invest into VDJ then :(
Secondly its an execellent business approach to try and penetrate the market/niche when it is young, not when it is saturated.
Thirdly, there is absoultely no substitute for TRUE PLUG n PLAY eg. Serato
Fourth and last, if Serato was doing something wrong, why does from novice to the professional digital DJ globally owns and love this package/solution ???
DONT YOU GUYS GET IT...................
Firstly, only a Pro user possesses the cognitive skills to mapping buttons/keys to a software, so bascically ure saying, if ure not computer savvy, dont invest into VDJ then :(
Secondly its an execellent business approach to try and penetrate the market/niche when it is young, not when it is saturated.
Thirdly, there is absoultely no substitute for TRUE PLUG n PLAY eg. Serato
Fourth and last, if Serato was doing something wrong, why does from novice to the professional digital DJ globally owns and love this package/solution ???
DONT YOU GUYS GET IT...................
You're entitled to your opinions, and I'm entitled to mine.
1. MIDI mapping is extremely simple, any monkey can do it. More advanced mapping requires skills, but those of us with these skills do it, and share it with the community making more hardware better, simpler and plug and play. I said no such thing about being computer savvy - I said look into what you are buying, test it, play with it, try it out, ask questions on the forum about it. You don't have to know how to gap piston rings to be able to buy a car.
2. Agreed, but the market is already saturated with lots of excellent mixers and controllers? A controller is a personal thing, people like different control methods, surfaces and layouts.
3. Buy a bundle if you want a PnP solution. That said, the HC-4500 for example - plug and play. The DAC-3? Plug and play. The Xponent? Plug and play. The Total Control? Plug and play. On so on....
4. Sounds crap, but go buy Serato then. I use and love VDJ because of it's flexibility. I don't own or use Serato. To use video with Serato either needs a Mac + MixEmergency, or a TTM57SL. SL-Video also sucks on the PC apparently. Serato also appears to have no publicised API to allow me to develop extensions. Thus Serato doesn't meet my requirements, so I don't own or love it. Other people do - I've said it many times on various threads - test things out and use what works for you.
Lots of things are the most popular in their field, whilst not necessarily being the best at what they do.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 11:21 pm
cstoll
VirtualDJ nor Atomix Productions wants to be another Serato/Rane situation. Even Serato trying to reach out is having issues because when they do they want exclusivity from the manufactures. And you see what is happening with Numark NS7 (compatible with other software) and the VCI-300 where the user community is asking for compatibility with other software ... both cases VirtualDJ.
So for us to fall into that business model would not be very wise ... now better more flexible controller integration ... yes!
And Serato's true market is only the Vinyl user ... they are just now getting in the controller market and they wrote a whole other software package for that market ... and no video support for it. So if you want to be and desire to stay a Turntablist in the Audio Only area -- yeah Serato is your package with the limitations they lock you into.
So for us to fall into that business model would not be very wise ... now better more flexible controller integration ... yes!
And Serato's true market is only the Vinyl user ... they are just now getting in the controller market and they wrote a whole other software package for that market ... and no video support for it. So if you want to be and desire to stay a Turntablist in the Audio Only area -- yeah Serato is your package with the limitations they lock you into.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 11:22 pm
streaming_DJ
Funny how you guys make this proposal out be just that of a light switch, either it is ON or it is OFF. If you read through my arguments, I did not say that the existing core principles/functions will have to be discarded, all I'm trying to say is give ME the customer an option to purchase that addtional device from Atomix, if others are comforatbale with what they have, so be it, @ least they dont have to go and try re-inventing the wheel.
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 11:37 pm
SBDJ
Instead you want Atomix to reinvent the wheel for you.
It is a light switch situation - they either produce the hardware or they don't. They've (wisely) opted not to.
Atomix provide you with a list of compatible controllers. This is good enough for pretty much everyone else?
You haven't really made any arguments other than I want an Atomix branded piece of hardware?
Question: What are you currently using, and what is wrong with it?
It is a light switch situation - they either produce the hardware or they don't. They've (wisely) opted not to.
Atomix provide you with a list of compatible controllers. This is good enough for pretty much everyone else?
You haven't really made any arguments other than I want an Atomix branded piece of hardware?
Question: What are you currently using, and what is wrong with it?
Posted Wed 24 Dec 08 @ 11:52 pm
streaming_DJ
SBDJ wrote :
Instead you want Atomix to reinvent the wheel for you.
It is a light switch situation - they either produce the hardware or they don't. They've (wisely) opted not to.
Atomix provide you with a list of compatible controllers. This is good enough for pretty much everyone else?
You haven't really made any arguments other than I want an Atomix branded piece of hardware?
Question: What are you currently using, and what is wrong with it?
It is a light switch situation - they either produce the hardware or they don't. They've (wisely) opted not to.
Atomix provide you with a list of compatible controllers. This is good enough for pretty much everyone else?
You haven't really made any arguments other than I want an Atomix branded piece of hardware?
Question: What are you currently using, and what is wrong with it?
Hercules MK2 which I'm in the process of upgrading, but ti tell you te truth, I have been procrastinating a lot as I havent seen anything to replace same.
The RMX wheels are too small, so is the Numark version.
I cant be bothered with CD Turntables, the can be cumbersome and quite an expensive setup. Imagine if the Vestax 300 was natively supported by VDJ, its Christmas so I would definately EAT MY CAKE AND HAVE IT.
WIN WIN situation.
Posted Thu 25 Dec 08 @ 7:23 am
SBDJ
The iCDX will work as MIDI controllers, rather than a TCCD solution.
There is always the Xponent as well which has larger jogs.
Can you not use the VCI-300 in MIDI mode with VDJ then?
There is always the Xponent as well which has larger jogs.
Can you not use the VCI-300 in MIDI mode with VDJ then?
Posted Thu 25 Dec 08 @ 8:55 am
sirkitbreaker
streaming_DJ wrote :
From the reasoning waveband emitting here, now I see why applications such as Serato will always be ahead,
Firstly, only a Pro user possesses the cognitive skills to mapping buttons/keys to a software, so bascically ure saying, if ure not computer savvy, dont invest into VDJ then :(
Secondly its an execellent business approach to try and penetrate the market/niche when it is young, not when it is saturated.
Thirdly, there is absoultely no substitute for TRUE PLUG n PLAY eg. Serato
Fourth and last, if Serato was doing something wrong, why does from novice to the professional digital DJ globally owns and love this package/solution ???
DONT YOU GUYS GET IT...................
Firstly, only a Pro user possesses the cognitive skills to mapping buttons/keys to a software, so bascically ure saying, if ure not computer savvy, dont invest into VDJ then :(
Secondly its an execellent business approach to try and penetrate the market/niche when it is young, not when it is saturated.
Thirdly, there is absoultely no substitute for TRUE PLUG n PLAY eg. Serato
Fourth and last, if Serato was doing something wrong, why does from novice to the professional digital DJ globally owns and love this package/solution ???
DONT YOU GUYS GET IT...................
against the first...i personally know nothing about midi but guess what, i midi mapped my totalcontrol in both traktor and vdj and also did my keyboard. and honestly it was easier than setting loop points.
against second... if everyone was doing a nitch market then it would not be such a niche market
against third ..... actually that is an opinion not fact.....ask the likes of ean golden if they want plug and play or total versitility
against fourth ..... no one said serato was wrong however for each person you find that loves serato a person that hates it can be found. Plus if serato was so perfect anything else entering the nitch market would not survive.
against 'dont you guys get it?'
yes .... the point is to offer a solution and a choice if you want serato, get serato .... if you want virtualdj then get virtualdj but the last thing you dont want is no options.
Posted Thu 25 Dec 08 @ 8:57 am
sirkitbreaker
SBDJ wrote :
Can you not use the VCI-300 in MIDI mode with VDJ then?
Can you not use the VCI-300 in MIDI mode with VDJ then?
i have not got it to work PROPERLY in midi mode
Posted Thu 25 Dec 08 @ 9:02 am
