Adion
Stems 1.0 partially uses Spleeter, so it is still used in 'Reduced Quality' mode, but indeed no longer used for stems 2.0
Posted Fri 24 Mar 23 @ 12:12 pm
beataddict
serieB wrote :
Wow, this is amazing, I'm tempted to buy one just now. Would you please share that stems mapping? It's really clever and useful.
BEATADDICT wrote :
As for me, I didn't want to use my old DDJ-RZX pads / EQ controls for STEMS, so I got a cheap $75 Korg nanoKONTROL 2 and mapped it exclusively for STEMS. It now resides below my RZX mixer section. 4 Sliders (Rhythm / Bass / Instruments / Vocals) always "live" for each deck, as well as S (Solo), M (Mute), R (StemFX echo out) buttons working for each Stems channel. I can now create amazing mixes, exclusively using the cheap nanoKONTROL and the RZX for the rest, as usual. 
Wow, this is amazing, I'm tempted to buy one just now. Would you please share that stems mapping? It's really clever and useful.
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but here you go:
<map value="LED_CYCLE" action="get_beat2 beat"/>
<map value="SLIDER_1" action="deck 1 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "rhythm""/>
<map value="SLIDER_2" action="deck 1 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "bass""/>
<map value="SLIDER_3" action="deck 1 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "instru""/>
<map value="SLIDER_4" action="deck 1 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "vocal""/>
<map value="SLIDER_5" action="deck 2 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "rhythm""/>
<map value="SLIDER_6" action="deck 2 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "bass""/>
<map value="SLIDER_7" action="deck 2 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "instru""/>
<map value="SLIDER_8" action="deck 2 param_multiply 0.5 & stem "vocal""/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_1" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 60% 1bt "stemfx:rhythm" ? deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 60% 1bt "stemfx:rhythm" : deck 1 get_beat_num 1"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_2" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 50% 1bt "stemfx:bass" ? deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 50% 1bt "stemfx:bass" : deck 1 get_beat_num 2"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_3" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:Instru" ? deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:Instru" : deck 1 get_beat_num 3"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_4" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:vocal" ? deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:vocal" : deck 1 get_beat_num 4"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_5" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 60% 1bt "stemfx:rhythm" ? deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 60% 1bt "stemfx:rhythm" : deck 2 get_beat_num 1"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_6" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 50% 1bt "stemfx:bass" ? deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 50% 1bt "stemfx:bass" : deck 2 get_beat_num 2"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_7" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:Instru" ? deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:Instru" : deck 2 get_beat_num 3"/>
<map value="LED_BUT_R_8" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:vocal" ? deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:vocal" : deck 2 get_beat_num 4"/>
<map value="BUT_S_1" action="deck 1 only_stem "rhythm""/>
<map value="BUT_M_1" action="deck 1 mute_stem "rhythm""/>
<map value="BUT_S_5" action="deck 2 only_stem "rhythm""/>
<map value="BUT_S_2" action="deck 1 only_stem "bass""/>
<map value="BUT_S_6" action="deck 2 only_stem "bass""/>
<map value="BUT_S_3" action="deck 1 only_stem "instru""/>
<map value="BUT_S_7" action="deck 2 only_stem "instru""/>
<map value="BUT_S_4" action="deck 1 only_stem "vocal""/>
<map value="BUT_S_8" action="deck 2 only_stem "vocal""/>
<map value="BUT_M_5" action="deck 2 mute_stem "rhythm""/>
<map value="BUT_M_2" action="deck 1 mute_stem "bass""/>
<map value="BUT_M_6" action="deck 2 mute_stem "bass""/>
<map value="BUT_M_3" action="deck 1 mute_stem "instru""/>
<map value="BUT_M_7" action="deck 2 mute_stem "instru""/>
<map value="BUT_M_4" action="deck 1 mute_stem "vocal""/>
<map value="BUT_M_8" action="deck 2 mute_stem "vocal""/>
<map value="LED_BUT_M_1" action="deck 1 mute_stem "kick""/>
<map value="LED_BUT_M_5" action="deck 2 mute_stem "kick""/>
<map value="BUT_R_4" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:vocal""/>
<map value="BUT_R_8" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:vocal""/>
<map value="BUT_R_3" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:Instru""/>
<map value="BUT_R_7" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 80% 1bt "stemfx:Instru""/>
<map value="BUT_R_2" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 50% 1bt "stemfx:bass""/>
<map value="BUT_R_6" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 50% 1bt "stemfx:bass""/>
<map value="BUT_R_1" action="deck 1 padfx_single "echo out" 60% 1bt "stemfx:rhythm""/>
<map value="BUT_R_5" action="deck 2 padfx_single "echo out" 60% 1bt "stemfx:rhythm""/>
Posted Fri 24 Mar 23 @ 12:34 pm
sofit
Adion wrote :
Stems 1.0 partially uses Spleeter, so it is still used in 'Reduced Quality' mode, but indeed no longer used for stems 2.0
And what does stems 2.0 use?
Posted Fri 24 Mar 23 @ 2:16 pm
serieB
BIG thanks for the mapping BEATADDICT, very nice of you! :-)
Posted Fri 24 Mar 23 @ 5:28 pm
dj kkfm
sirwesley wrote :
My DDJ-FLX10 will arrive on Monday. Happy to test any mappings from the DEV team.
Mine arrives on Tuesday, and I'm also happy to beta test integration.
Posted Fri 24 Mar 23 @ 6:03 pm
olivier REMUX
Warning the FLX 10 is a mixed Beat FX from Hardware and Software, depend on stems part used :
see the USB diagram :
there is 4 available stems channel part via USb input from software to apply FLX 10 internal beat FX (3 for Rekordbox Stems) and ( 4 for Serato and why not Virtual Dj)
And there is a master global input without internal beat FX routing.
So hope VirtualDj will route 4 part stems like Rekordbox or Serato in internal Beat FX, to choose which stems use internal Beat FX :) ( Or use like Rekordbox the 3 stems from software and use the 4 part for full track and apply beat fx FLX 10 native hardware in part 4 and not use beat FX emulation software)
Example FLX 10 Rekordbox routing :
Regards,
Olivier
see the USB diagram :
there is 4 available stems channel part via USb input from software to apply FLX 10 internal beat FX (3 for Rekordbox Stems) and ( 4 for Serato and why not Virtual Dj)
And there is a master global input without internal beat FX routing.
So hope VirtualDj will route 4 part stems like Rekordbox or Serato in internal Beat FX, to choose which stems use internal Beat FX :) ( Or use like Rekordbox the 3 stems from software and use the 4 part for full track and apply beat fx FLX 10 native hardware in part 4 and not use beat FX emulation software)
Example FLX 10 Rekordbox routing :
Regards,
Olivier
Posted Fri 24 Mar 23 @ 10:23 pm
dj kkfm wrote :
Mine arrives on Tuesday, and I'm also happy to beta test integration.
sirwesley wrote :
My DDJ-FLX10 will arrive on Monday. Happy to test any mappings from the DEV team.
Mine arrives on Tuesday, and I'm also happy to beta test integration.
And mine arrives . . . well, I don't know when, as I'm at a DPO post. So probably 2 weeks or so. Also happy to help with testing!
Posted Sat 25 Mar 23 @ 4:52 am
sirwesley wrote :
sirwesley wrote :
My DDJ-FLX10 will arrive on Monday. Happy to test any mappings from the DEV team.
had a chance to play around with it yet? :-D
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 1:32 pm
klausmogensen
olivier REMUX wrote :
Warning the FLX 10 is a mixed Beat FX from Hardware and Software, depend on stems part used :
see the USB diagram :
there is 4 available stems channel part via USb input from software to apply FLX 10 internal beat FX (3 for Rekordbox Stems) and ( 4 for Serato and why not Virtual Dj)
And there is a master global input without internal beat FX routing.
So hope VirtualDj will route 4 part stems like Rekordbox or Serato in internal Beat FX, to choose which stems use internal Beat FX :) ( Or use like Rekordbox the 3 stems from software and use the 4 part for full track and apply beat fx FLX 10 native hardware in part 4 and not use beat FX emulation software)
Example FLX 10 Rekordbox routing :
Regards,
Olivier
see the USB diagram :
there is 4 available stems channel part via USb input from software to apply FLX 10 internal beat FX (3 for Rekordbox Stems) and ( 4 for Serato and why not Virtual Dj)
And there is a master global input without internal beat FX routing.
So hope VirtualDj will route 4 part stems like Rekordbox or Serato in internal Beat FX, to choose which stems use internal Beat FX :) ( Or use like Rekordbox the 3 stems from software and use the 4 part for full track and apply beat fx FLX 10 native hardware in part 4 and not use beat FX emulation software)
Example FLX 10 Rekordbox routing :
Regards,
Olivier
Good stuff
I was wondering how they could be insisting on that they were using hardware fx, including on stems, when the unit was clearly not capable of separating stems itself
And to make matters worse - hardware fx on Serato stems and RB stems in the same unit
It seems like a bit of a mess - at least technically
But it may be implemented in a way so that you never think about it - like it always does what feels right
It's going to be interesting to see how the VDJ mapping will do it
Or rather to read about it - I can't afford a FLX10 :)
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 4:25 pm
Adion
From the diagram, I think you may have misinterpreted it.
CH1 to 4 are probably just the line inputs that are mixed in hardware, and from the PC, all the FLX10 gets is PC-A MASTER (and probably PC-A CUE as well then somewhere else in the diagram)
So PC bypasses the Master effects completely, but on the other hand has full control over both deck and master effects with or without stems.
CH1 to 4 are probably just the line inputs that are mixed in hardware, and from the PC, all the FLX10 gets is PC-A MASTER (and probably PC-A CUE as well then somewhere else in the diagram)
So PC bypasses the Master effects completely, but on the other hand has full control over both deck and master effects with or without stems.
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 5:22 pm
dj kkfm
Adion wrote :
From the diagram, I think you may have misinterpreted it.
CH1 to 4 are probably just the line inputs that are mixed in hardware, and from the PC, all the FLX10 gets is PC-A MASTER (and probably PC-A CUE as well then somewhere else in the diagram)
So PC bypasses the Master effects completely, but on the other hand has full control over both deck and master effects with or without stems.
CH1 to 4 are probably just the line inputs that are mixed in hardware, and from the PC, all the FLX10 gets is PC-A MASTER (and probably PC-A CUE as well then somewhere else in the diagram)
So PC bypasses the Master effects completely, but on the other hand has full control over both deck and master effects with or without stems.
That image only shows the signal flow after the main effects processing. Here's the entire page:
The flow doesn't really indicate how the stems work (at least it isn't apparent to me). The sound color FX and beat FX are hardware based and also work with external line in signals, but as you would expect, the functionality to apply FX only to a specific stem doesn't work with line in signals.
So maybe as you state (and the diagram seems to indicate) signals coming from a PC bypass the hardware FX completely and all FX are handled by the software. This would be represented by the "PC-A Master" and "PC-B Master" flows, I guess. This is all new to me but very interesting.
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 8:15 pm
DennYo Beats
@Dj kkfm
I looked at the last weeks a stream from Pio Germany. The controller works in the RB Performace mode with software FX and EQ. The hardware FX is only for line or for stand alone mode (e.g. DDJ XZ).
This is also the big different between the DDJ-1000 and 1000 SRT. The RB device works with software EQ and the SRT with Hardware EQ.
I looked at the last weeks a stream from Pio Germany. The controller works in the RB Performace mode with software FX and EQ. The hardware FX is only for line or for stand alone mode (e.g. DDJ XZ).
This is also the big different between the DDJ-1000 and 1000 SRT. The RB device works with software EQ and the SRT with Hardware EQ.
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 8:37 pm
klausmogensen
DennYo Beats wrote :
I looked at the last weeks a stream from Pio Germany. The controller works in the RB Performace mode with software FX and EQ. The hardware FX is only for line or for stand alone mode (DDJ XZ).
I looked at the last weeks a stream from Pio Germany. The controller works in the RB Performace mode with software FX and EQ. The hardware FX is only for line or for stand alone mode (DDJ XZ).
So the hardware fx can't be used on separated stems?
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 8:42 pm
DennYo Beats
klausmogensen wrote :
So the hardware fx can't be used on separated stems?
So the hardware fx can't be used on separated stems?
That's all controlled in the Software and not in the device. The Hardware FX is only for the Lines.
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 8:44 pm
dj kkfm
DennYo Beats wrote :
That's all controlled in the Software and not in the device. The Hardware FX is only for the Lines.
klausmogensen wrote :
So the hardware fx can't be used on separated stems?
So the hardware fx can't be used on separated stems?
That's all controlled in the Software and not in the device. The Hardware FX is only for the Lines.
Thanks. That makes sense. It would be nice if the signal flow diagram clearly indicated that the PC-A Master components represented 4 channels of audio (plus the cue channel?) coming from the software.
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 8:50 pm
DennYo Beats
The PC Output has only 2 Stereo-Outs. One for Master and one for Headphones.
USB-A MASTER + HEADPHONE
USB-B MASTER + HEADPHONE
You can see this in the grafic:
USB-A MASTER + HEADPHONE
USB-B MASTER + HEADPHONE
You can see this in the grafic:
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 8:58 pm
dj kkfm
DennYo Beats wrote :
The PC Output has only 2 Stereo-Outs. One for Master and one for Headphones.
USB-A MASTER + HEADPHONE
USB-B MASTER + HEADPHONE
You can see this in the grafic:
USB-A MASTER + HEADPHONE
USB-B MASTER + HEADPHONE
You can see this in the grafic:
Ah! Of course....all of the mixing happens in the software and just the master and headphone channels get sent to the console. Thanks for clarifying that for me!
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 9:01 pm
DennYo Beats
now you have it :)
Posted Tue 28 Mar 23 @ 9:02 pm
DJNombe
klausmogensen wrote :
I assume you are not joking :)
It will be a while before the VDJ team gets their hands on one, and then they'll need to map it, and possible add a few new features to the software to support it - like split stems. That will all need to though the beta + early access programs
So my guess is that it'll be a few months before official support is added in VDJ
Exact dates for support are rarely announced
It will be a while before the VDJ team gets their hands on one, and then they'll need to map it, and possible add a few new features to the software to support it - like split stems. That will all need to though the beta + early access programs
So my guess is that it'll be a few months before official support is added in VDJ
Exact dates for support are rarely announced
Yes, not joking. I purchased it the first day in online shop. Waiting to get it in my house.
Posted Wed 29 Mar 23 @ 7:24 am
PhantomDeejay
DennYo Beats wrote :
I looked at the last weeks a stream from Pio Germany. The controller works in the RB Performace mode with software FX and EQ. The hardware FX is only for line or for stand alone mode (e.g. DDJ XZ).
This is also the big different between the DDJ-1000 and 1000 SRT. The RB device works with software EQ and the SRT with Hardware EQ.
This is also the big different between the DDJ-1000 and 1000 SRT. The RB device works with software EQ and the SRT with Hardware EQ.
DDJ-1000 was the first offender on this.
It was the first unit that offers hardware effects for analog inputs and master, and software effects for the digital bus (USB audio)
Posted Wed 29 Mar 23 @ 8:13 am
