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I am having a few problems despite following the exact setting instructions provided on the Denon VDJ thread and the Denon set up guide. I am on the INT MIX setting, 2 decks, (output channel 1/2 and 3/4), CF Mode switch to VIDEO, VDJ crossfader disabled. My problems are:

1) The volume level & meter on the MC6000 does not control the cue output - only the master, and

2) The AUTO HEADPHONE does not switch the cue over when I load a new track.

Any ideas for troubleshooting this?
 
Posted Tue 29 Mar 11 @ 10:44 pm
I also asked a similar question a few days ago re the auto headphone and am still waiting for some help with it. Hope someone have a solution as I have searched and cannot find one. Thanks in advance.
 
Glad i'm not the only one having this problem :-(
 
Eric Sands wrote :

1) The volume level & meter on the MC6000 does not control the cue output - only the master, and

2) The AUTO HEADPHONE does not switch the cue over when I load a new track.

Any ideas for troubleshooting this?


Both of these issues affect the controller in PC Mix mode (MIDI Mixer) and not Int Mix mode (Hardware Mixer)

For the issue #1 there's no solution unless VDJ Team decides to update the definition file of the controller (The controller is capable to handle all four channel VU's but the definition file of the controller does not use it)

For issue #2 I don't know exactly what's happening since I use Int Mix mode on my MC-6000 but try to map the PFL button to "Select" instead of the original "pfl ? pfl : pfl & select"
 
I also use internal mix on the 6k. I use channel 2 and 3, using 2 decks. Auto headphone does work, but it works for 1 and 4. In other words, whenever I load a track only channel 1 or 4 would activate automatically. I need 2 and 3 to work. Hope this is not as clear as mud:)
 
You can't use auto headphones on internal mix. In this mode VDJ lets the MC6000 be a hardware mixer. The auto headphones will only work in PC mix mode where VDJ is the mixer and it then sends the mixed output to the MC6000.

Keith
 
OK... I understand the auto headphone limitation. But are you guys who are using the INT MIX mode able to adjust the input volume for the cued channel, and see the change on the VU meter and hear the change in the headphone? I am not.

I'm still trying to figure out if this is a bug, or I just have a setting wrong.

I guess I could ditch the INT MIX mode and use PC Mix, even though I am only using 2 decks...?
 
In PC MIX mode, the VU meters are mapped to always show the level of the current selected left and right decks.

If you wanted them to behave differently then you can always map them in VirtualDJ Pro as you wish, e.g:

VU_METER_LEFT =

deck active get level

VU_METER_RIGHT =

deck default get level

This would always show the level of the active deck (One playing live) on the left meter and the level of the deck selected for PFL on the right meter.
 
jpboggis wrote :

VU_METER_LEFT =

VU_METER_RIGHT =


That's what I was talking about... The definition file of MC6000 gives you two LED stripes (for VU's) while the MC6000 itself is capable to handle 4!
 
If "...the VU meters are mapped to always show the level of the current selected left and right decks", then they should change when we change the input level fader. Mine do not.
 
Eric,

Do you fully understand the difference between PC Mix mode and internal mode. They are completely different in the way both VDJ and the MC6000 responds.

Keith
 
I believe I do...

INT mode is using the Denon simply as a hardware mixer and thus VDJ is routing 2 channels of unmixed audio via the USB.
PC mode is having VDJ pre-mix the output and sending MASTER and CUE channels via USB.

But in BOTH cases, there is communication going on between Denon and VDJ. And part of that communication should be routing the channel to the correct location, and having the meters respond to the level. When I use PC mode, I am getting reversed channels 2 and 3, and distortion when I crossfade. When I use INT mode, the headphone output and VU meters do not change when I change the input fader. This is especially surprising since the Denon is supposed to be receiving 2 independent channels for INT mode.

Am I the only one experiencing this?
 
Eric Sands wrote :
If "...the VU meters are mapped to always show the level of the current selected left and right decks", then they should change when we change the input level fader. Mine do not.


By default they are mapped so they are not affected by the volume sliders. This is generally how most DJ's want MIDi controllers with VU meters to behave, so that when mixing with the volume faders, they can visually check that the gain of the pre-listened track is adjusted correctly. Many hardware DJ audio mixers also work this way.

If you would prefer them to be affected by the volume sliders, simply replace get level with get vu_meter in the mappings.

Please see http://www.virtualdj.com/homepage/jpboggis/blogs/4149/VDJscript_Mapping.html for basic mapping instructions and http://www.virtualdj.com/homepage/jpboggis/blogs/4365/Denon_DN-MC6000_Configuration_And_Troubleshooting.html
 
PhantomDeejay wrote :
That's what I was talking about... The definition file of MC6000 gives you two LED stripes (for VU's) while the MC6000 itself is capable to handle 4!


The MC6000 only actually has two physical LED bar graphs. In hardware mixer mode they can be switched between monitoring ch2&3, ch1&4 or master

In software mixer mode (PC MIX), they are mapped by default to monitor left and right decks, so that they show the levels of the current selected left and right decks.

However, they are addressed separately in MIDI as though there were actually 4 separate VU's, but in reality there are only 2. The switch monitoring assignments above don't make sense for the normal 4-deck layouts in VirtualDJ (Decks 1&3 are normally left and 2&4 right, where as as far as the switch on the MC6000 is concerned, decks 1&2 are left and 3&4 are right.)

All 4 are actually defined, but 1&3 are grouped together as VU_METER_LEFT and 2&4 as VU_METER_RIGHT.

If you wanted them to behave as per the selector switch, then the following should work:

VU_METER_LEFT =

action_deck 3 ? deck 2 get level : deck 1 get level

VU_METER_RIGHT =

action_deck 2 ? deck 3 get level : deck 4 get level
 
OK thanks... I think I see what's going on. No wonder my channels are reversed... PC mode is really set up for 4 deck (1/3 on left, 2/4 on right) and I would be using it only for 2 (at least for now). I will read the mapping instructions.

BUT... regarding the levels, I don't understand why you would not want the VU meters following the fader level. Let's say you cue a song up and you see it's very weak by looking at the meter. Wouldn't you want to know how much to lift the fader to make it equal to the active deck? This way when you crossfade during the mix, the levels are now equal....?

ALSO... any idea why I'm hearing noise in my output during crossfade?
 
You would increase the gain in that case to raise the track level suitably to match the other live playing channel.

If you mix with the volume sliders (As many non-scratch DJ's do), then the volume slider for the channel that you are pre-listening to will always be down so you will not be able to see the level at all.

If you prefer it to be affected by the volume sliders, you can easily change it by mapping as previously advised above.

Noise when crossfading may mean that you have performance issues with your computer - Please see http://www.virtualdj.com/homepage/jpboggis/blogs/4094/Common_performance_issues_and_solutions.html for a list of common causes and their solutions.

Please also ensure that you have the latest drivers and firmware from http://www.denondj.com installed.
 
Oh I see... for volume fader mixing, that makes sense. I am a crossfader mixer.

I have a brand new quad core with the Denon firmware update installed... not sure why I'd have problems but I'll check.

Thanks.
 
my headphone cue on my controller mc6000 denon dosent work it just stop working. none of the channel cues seem to work who do i contract and what can i do?
 
kapono wrote :
my headphone cue on my controller mc6000 denon dosent work it just stop working. none of the channel cues seem to work who do i contract and what can i do?


I believe you have to have at least a limited edition version of VDJ to get the channels to cue. Register the licened VDJ software that came with the 60000 and see if that works for you. You can then upgrade to the PRO version at a nice discount.
 


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