Forum: General Discussion

Ur stuck in a rutt arnt you buddy

Patient learning is what we are into here. Seems 78's were about done around '48 when the 45s and LPs came in.

All I need are a few basic controls. How long should a learning curve take for this?

What is the problem with file date showing? What other dos and dont's should I be aware of for my needs? One of the members said what I was asking for was 70's standard procedure.

Can you personally keyboard control Key, Pitch and Gain in Automix and have the next file to automatically reset?

Thanks

If that is the case, that surely takes the fun out of it. Seems almost like a case for using Windows Media Player.

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Automix takes the fun out of it? I can't understand that sentiment I'm afraid - I'd have thought it was the other way round in the case of VDJ.

You said Automix might not work. All i meant was if Automix wont work that would take my fun out of it. I don't understand our communication problem

If you want a glorified jukebox system, there are better solutions at this time than VDJ as you've found. Most desktop players will have features that are just not needed in VDJ for 99.9% of users.

SB why make excuses that VDJ is not this or not that and just bite the bullet and fix the problem at hand?

If you want a capable, flexible, controllable, customisable, professional DJ/VJ solution then thats what VDJ is mainly targeted at IMHO.

SB why make excuses that VDJ is not this or not that and just bite the bullet and fix the problem at hand?

Yesterday you were going to make Automix keyboard tests. What happened to that? I really would like for you to see what you get working with Pitch and Key in Automix.

Does anyone else besides me smell a troll in here!

With your settings, can you keyboard control Key, Pitch and Gain in Automix and have the next file to set properly?

How about listing the settings I need as you see them?

Firstly - I can't fix the issues since I don't work for Atomix. Secondly, I'm trying to explain to you that this is how it works. If that's not to your liking then maybe you should have done more testing before buying. It provides basic playlist functionality combined with some limited beatmixing. It's not intended to be used in the manner you are trying to use it. It's really designed for you to list a load of tracks and walk away - not attempt to meddle with what it's doing. I'm not attemting to cover up problems - I'm attempting to explain how the software works.



I haven't had the chance yet - I've got a day job, my DJ work, a family coupled with a few more important tasks that need to get done. It was an offer of assistance however you don't seem to want to answer my questions in any real detail so that I can even try and help you.

So in the absence of any information I'll give you the best advice I can at this stage: Stop being lazy, drop the automix and earn your fee ;)

If at some point you decided to be a bit more forthcoming with information, a bit more helpful and perhaps a little less abrasive I may reattempt to assist you.

I never, ever, control the gain via the software. I use an outboard mixer, or EQ for that. Software is not meant for that type of application. Pitch is controlled via a controller, or time codes. Once again, it is not the software's job. Why would any DJ want to control key? The artist chose to perform a song in a certain key, and it is not up to us to second guess the artist, only to press play on their songs.

If you are looking for VDJ to use it as a production tool, you choose the wrong platform. If your looking to throw 5 hours of music onto a side list, and expect perfect transitions, you choose the wrong platform. Our job as DJs is to press play. Either on a turntable, CD player, or PC screen. Not to set 'em, up and walk away. Auto play is a useful tool. I use it often, during dinner music, or bathroom break. It does not replace me behind the controls for the whole night though.

I was simply offering options. Not a format for debate. If my advice is not appreciated, please do not feel the need to read it. Enjoy the rest of your time on our forum.

SB, what specifically have you asked me that I haven't answered?

You want me to stop being lazy. It is not lazy to seek the key on each song for a vocal participant or pitch each song for a dance participant. How do you handle requested key changes for singers and requested dance tempos for dancers? I asked you if you DJ by alternating with single alternating loads to each player. Still would like your answer on this.

All I need is for you to test the + and - of this using four keys on the keyboard and tell me if this mapping is viable with Automix. Again when you can.

Not the softwares job? Then why are the controls in the software? What are mapping configurations for?

A DJ probably wont need to change the key of a song but a KJ may need to do that 12 times a night. We audition all our participants and half of their tracks are in the wrong key for their voices so they have to be changed. Now before you say that is not a function of VDJ, I ask again, why is this provision on the skin and in this software?

I have the simple question of what settings do I need to keyboard control Key and Pitch within Automix? This is the advice I need from you. I have this question but have not got an answer to it but only disclaimers, name calling and second guessing.

I'd asked for more specific information as to what you are doing with all the different controls, what you are seeing, along with details as to whether you always use automix and what mode.

Don't remember seeing those requests. Thought you would take my simple proposistion and test it through Automix. I'm not sure you or any member has done that but rather basically choose to disclaim.




I'm a bar/club DJ, so yes, I work by single loads to each player coupled with the sampler - but not necessarily alternating. I don't have to deal with requests for different keys and tempo. If I did then I would work as I do now, setting the key and tempo for each track as appropriate. By using automix for convenience you are sacrificing the flexibility of control over individual tracks.

Sounds like another disclaimer. Why not have this put in Automix?



OK, so you are trying to do this using whilst automix is active. Yes, for the umteenth time. What part of the question did you not understand? What tests were you going to make for me a couple of days ago? This isn't what it was designed for I'm afraid - you'll have to mix manually. Why not?



They are there for people who are wanting to control their tracks fully. By using automix you sacrifice some functionality.
Have Automix improved then don't relegate it to secondary citizen status.



As above. I doubt a KJ would be using automix anyway? I am trying to and it could be a powerful KJ functionality. Not to be redundant but the free Winamp has no trouble with this in their automatic mode.

One last question, have you or will try my proposistion?



In case you didn't get the point of my post: You need to not use automix. By enabling automix you are effectively saying: "Dear VDJ, I'm either currently unable, not needed to DJ or just too bone idle. Please do it all for me whilst I go to the bar and chat up some women" ;)

You've had the answer I'm afraid: Automix isn't suitable for what you want to do.

You have several choices at this point...

1. Ditch automix and DJ yourself
2. Adapt what you are doing to work with automix
3. Use a different software more suited to jukebox style functionality

There really isn't any more to say than that. Automix may be upgraded more in future versions, then again it may not. Future features are never announced before release.