DJ VinylTouch
I'm trying to put together a list of songs for a workout mix, where the songs unfortunately aren't necessarily mixable because of the jumps in BPMs from one song to the next.
However, just to test out syncing behavior, I took a track at around 100 BPM from the list, and the following track at around 150 BPM from the list, and hit sync on the 150 BPM track.
What I noticed was, instead of the 150 BPM going to 100 BPM on sync, it went to 200 BPM instead. I also noticed that I could lower the BPM of that incoming track (150 BPM) to as much as 111 BPM using the fader (I have autoPitchRange enabled), and it would still go to 200 BPM on press of sync (at about 110 BPM or less it finally syncs to 100 BPM).
I then tried playing around with various track BPMs above the 100 BPM initial track - I found I could choose songs as low as about 135 BPM that, on sync, would sync to 200 BPM (a +65 BPM shift, rather than a -35 BPM shift downwards).
The reverse is somewhat similar but a bit better behaviour (there aren't many tracks in the lower ranges, and anything I selected from around 65 BPM upwards still synced to 100 BPM), but I could reproduce the behaviour if I moved the initial track to say 135 BPM, I could get a track at 67 BPM to sync to 67.5 BPM. But even in the 65 BPM case, this is closer to 50 BPM (-15 BPM shift) than 100 BPM (+35 BPM shift) and most likely the -15 BPM case would sound better with Master Tempo on.
So my question would be, what is the expected behaviour of sync for these ranges? Is it trying to sync to the nearest BPM that would be aligned (half and double time in consideration)? In particular, the upper range behaviour doesn't seem to make sense to me especially for tracks closer to the lower range of sync, and when you adjust the tempo of the track to be more towards the lower end of sync (it seems that action is ignored in the consideration).
Is there a Wiki page describing what to expect?
Is there a setting I'm misunderstanding/overlooking to change that behavior (always sync to the actual BPM instead of the "smart" sync)?
I know this is a weird thing to do but I just want to understand ultrapitch behaviour with sync, especially with Master Tempo on and a good enough pitchQuality.
However, just to test out syncing behavior, I took a track at around 100 BPM from the list, and the following track at around 150 BPM from the list, and hit sync on the 150 BPM track.
What I noticed was, instead of the 150 BPM going to 100 BPM on sync, it went to 200 BPM instead. I also noticed that I could lower the BPM of that incoming track (150 BPM) to as much as 111 BPM using the fader (I have autoPitchRange enabled), and it would still go to 200 BPM on press of sync (at about 110 BPM or less it finally syncs to 100 BPM).
I then tried playing around with various track BPMs above the 100 BPM initial track - I found I could choose songs as low as about 135 BPM that, on sync, would sync to 200 BPM (a +65 BPM shift, rather than a -35 BPM shift downwards).
The reverse is somewhat similar but a bit better behaviour (there aren't many tracks in the lower ranges, and anything I selected from around 65 BPM upwards still synced to 100 BPM), but I could reproduce the behaviour if I moved the initial track to say 135 BPM, I could get a track at 67 BPM to sync to 67.5 BPM. But even in the 65 BPM case, this is closer to 50 BPM (-15 BPM shift) than 100 BPM (+35 BPM shift) and most likely the -15 BPM case would sound better with Master Tempo on.
So my question would be, what is the expected behaviour of sync for these ranges? Is it trying to sync to the nearest BPM that would be aligned (half and double time in consideration)? In particular, the upper range behaviour doesn't seem to make sense to me especially for tracks closer to the lower range of sync, and when you adjust the tempo of the track to be more towards the lower end of sync (it seems that action is ignored in the consideration).
Is there a Wiki page describing what to expect?
Is there a setting I'm misunderstanding/overlooking to change that behavior (always sync to the actual BPM instead of the "smart" sync)?
I know this is a weird thing to do but I just want to understand ultrapitch behaviour with sync, especially with Master Tempo on and a good enough pitchQuality.
Posted Sun 22 Dec 24 @ 7:50 pm
DJ VinylTouch
Any input on this at all?
Posted Mon 23 Dec 24 @ 5:26 pm
Adion
Since playing back faster usually sounds better than slowing down, there is indeed a preference for speeding up a song instead of slowing it down.
Note that it also takes into account the current pitch of the song, so if you want to steer sync in one way or the other, you can move the pitch faster or slower in the range that you want it and then press sync
Note that it also takes into account the current pitch of the song, so if you want to steer sync in one way or the other, you can move the pitch faster or slower in the range that you want it and then press sync
Posted Mon 23 Dec 24 @ 5:52 pm
locoDog
It will sync to the smallest possible change
usually pushing the pitch more to the tempo you'd like to sync to will make sync predictable.
There's a concept I can't fully explain but pitches that are a positive change against starting pitch, it's all linear difference, but pitches that are a negative change it's logarithmic.
There's some kind of weighting done, so from just looking at the numbers it might look like if favours larger pitch changes to higher tempos but really it's the least change against starting tempo.
If reminds me of the puzzle
100 people in a room, 99% are left handed, how many left handers do you have to remove to get that to 98%?
usually pushing the pitch more to the tempo you'd like to sync to will make sync predictable.
There's a concept I can't fully explain but pitches that are a positive change against starting pitch, it's all linear difference, but pitches that are a negative change it's logarithmic.
There's some kind of weighting done, so from just looking at the numbers it might look like if favours larger pitch changes to higher tempos but really it's the least change against starting tempo.
If reminds me of the puzzle
100 people in a room, 99% are left handed, how many left handers do you have to remove to get that to 98%?
Posted Mon 23 Dec 24 @ 5:58 pm
DJ VinylTouch
Thank you @Adion and @locodog for the responses. Most of the behavior does make sense, it, just could be a little unexpected, especially with faster BPMs.
One thing I did notice though... in this case
I found the pitch adjustment before sync largely was ignored (see the example above I gave).
One thing I did notice though... in this case
Adion wrote :
Note that it also takes into account the current pitch of the song, so if you want to steer sync in one way or the other, you can move the pitch faster or slower in the range that you want it and then press sync
I found the pitch adjustment before sync largely was ignored (see the example above I gave).
Posted Mon 23 Dec 24 @ 7:09 pm