chris galbraith
Hello, guys!
New member around the block!
My name is Chris, and I'm the proud owner of a Behringer BCD 3000 B-DJ Control controler console. My set up is comprised of a lap-top Toshiba, a Behringer BCD 3000 and the VDJ 6 Pro.
I have been facing a terrible 'enigma' that has been driving me crazy, and it is bringing my mixing abilities to a hault, so to speak. I'll try to be as clear and specific as possible.
I can't, for the life of me, obtain full syncronization between the music playing at the cue/monitoring headphones and the main music playing directly at the master (speakers), upon trying to sync the 2 beats from the 2 musics.
Let's say, I have music 'X' playing on deck A as the main music, which is playing as playback live on the speakers, and want to mix in music 'Y', playing on deck B, listening to it on the headphones/monitor while trying to adjust the pitch/synchronize it to music A.
As soon as I have both musics synchronized with the correct beat while listening through the headphones, such is my disbelief and surprise as soon as I start to open up the volume for deck B and start to mix them together on the master/speakers to notice how delayed music Y actually is.
In other words, I'm having the wrong/false synchronization while monitoring at the headphones, because the sound is almost 1 second ahead while listening through the headphones in comparison to the master out/speakers.
Such 'phenom' can be confirmed with a simple test: selecting the exact same song and listen to it through the headphones while playing live as playback/master/speakers. I can clearly listen through the headphone almost a second earlier than through the speakers/master.
I can only have the exact notion/relation between the 2 tracks right sync if a open up the mix knob for the cue/headphones/monitor to see exactly how the 2 tracks are beatmixing rightly, but as soon as I start to compare it to the music coming up from the main master/speakers I get confused because of the dragged delay.
Please help me. This is not the correct way to make a mix.
How do I fix such problem?
Thank you very much in advance!
With my kindest regards,
CHRIS
New member around the block!
My name is Chris, and I'm the proud owner of a Behringer BCD 3000 B-DJ Control controler console. My set up is comprised of a lap-top Toshiba, a Behringer BCD 3000 and the VDJ 6 Pro.
I have been facing a terrible 'enigma' that has been driving me crazy, and it is bringing my mixing abilities to a hault, so to speak. I'll try to be as clear and specific as possible.
I can't, for the life of me, obtain full syncronization between the music playing at the cue/monitoring headphones and the main music playing directly at the master (speakers), upon trying to sync the 2 beats from the 2 musics.
Let's say, I have music 'X' playing on deck A as the main music, which is playing as playback live on the speakers, and want to mix in music 'Y', playing on deck B, listening to it on the headphones/monitor while trying to adjust the pitch/synchronize it to music A.
As soon as I have both musics synchronized with the correct beat while listening through the headphones, such is my disbelief and surprise as soon as I start to open up the volume for deck B and start to mix them together on the master/speakers to notice how delayed music Y actually is.
In other words, I'm having the wrong/false synchronization while monitoring at the headphones, because the sound is almost 1 second ahead while listening through the headphones in comparison to the master out/speakers.
Such 'phenom' can be confirmed with a simple test: selecting the exact same song and listen to it through the headphones while playing live as playback/master/speakers. I can clearly listen through the headphone almost a second earlier than through the speakers/master.
I can only have the exact notion/relation between the 2 tracks right sync if a open up the mix knob for the cue/headphones/monitor to see exactly how the 2 tracks are beatmixing rightly, but as soon as I start to compare it to the music coming up from the main master/speakers I get confused because of the dragged delay.
Please help me. This is not the correct way to make a mix.
How do I fix such problem?
Thank you very much in advance!
With my kindest regards,
CHRIS
Posted Mon 09 Mar 15 @ 4:03 pm
A Man and His Music
Hey Chris, why are you using version 6? We are on version 8, and I can't remember anything about 6. There is a reason for all of the updates since 6.
Posted Mon 09 Mar 15 @ 6:42 pm
chris galbraith
Hello!
Reason is two-fold: my notebook is from the stone age and the controller I'm using is the BCD3000, which operates better with earlier versions of the VDJ - or so I've been told.
Anyone here able to help out?
Would this problem be a matter of latency ?
This delay is really driving me nuts....I really need my headphones to perfectly mix the musics, specially those old tunes that have a varying beat with analogic editing/cutting glitches where the next punch/beat drops in at the wrong timing. I really need my monitor to be totally in sync with the speakers so I can compensate the pitch perfectly.
Reason is two-fold: my notebook is from the stone age and the controller I'm using is the BCD3000, which operates better with earlier versions of the VDJ - or so I've been told.
Anyone here able to help out?
Would this problem be a matter of latency ?
This delay is really driving me nuts....I really need my headphones to perfectly mix the musics, specially those old tunes that have a varying beat with analogic editing/cutting glitches where the next punch/beat drops in at the wrong timing. I really need my monitor to be totally in sync with the speakers so I can compensate the pitch perfectly.
Posted Tue 10 Mar 15 @ 12:33 pm
jakovski
I don't think that you will get it 100% working in version 6. You should at least update to 7.4.2 and check again. There where so many improvements since v6 and the machine should be good to handle it.
Greets, Heiko
Greets, Heiko
Posted Tue 10 Mar 15 @ 1:01 pm
groovindj
Chris, are you using the BCD3000 audio interface for both master and headphone output? Are you using the Behringer BCD3000 ASIO driver?
Using ASIO and a single interface, you should not be experiencing latency between one channel and another.
Using ASIO and a single interface, you should not be experiencing latency between one channel and another.
Posted Tue 10 Mar 15 @ 1:25 pm
chris galbraith
@groovindj: thank you! finally a constructive post towards a solution to my problem.
the sound set up is as follows: "in" - none ; "out" - master: channel 1 &2 ; headphones: channel 3 & 4 ; "soundcard" - BCD 2000 (and I have the exact same outcome if I choose ASIO, instead, with "BCD3000" as a subcategory).
As for the BCD 3000 configuration, I have it on "standard" mode, with the latency rule totally to the left, or in other words, at its minimum possible grade.
the sound set up is as follows: "in" - none ; "out" - master: channel 1 &2 ; headphones: channel 3 & 4 ; "soundcard" - BCD 2000 (and I have the exact same outcome if I choose ASIO, instead, with "BCD3000" as a subcategory).
As for the BCD 3000 configuration, I have it on "standard" mode, with the latency rule totally to the left, or in other words, at its minimum possible grade.
Posted Tue 10 Mar 15 @ 5:17 pm
Adion
If the master and headphone output are on the same device (as seems to be the case) then at least in vdj 7 or vdj 8 there shouldn't be any timing difference between them.
I'm not sure how it was with VDJ 6, but it's well possible that it wasn't working that good in vdj 6.
The other possibility is that the amplifier/speakers that you are using are in a processing mode (sometimes found on surround receivers) that adds an extra delay.
I'm not sure how it was with VDJ 6, but it's well possible that it wasn't working that good in vdj 6.
The other possibility is that the amplifier/speakers that you are using are in a processing mode (sometimes found on surround receivers) that adds an extra delay.
Posted Wed 11 Mar 15 @ 4:05 am
chris galbraith
@Adion: the funny thing is, I have been able to use the VDJ 6 trouble-free, at least as far as this delay in sound goes. This problem happens from time to time, and the only thing I can link to it is the latency graduation at the BCD3000 that I have been playing with, as of late. Nothing else has been changed in my set up.
Now I'd like you to please, expand a bit more about this surround mode from my speakers/amp that you commented about. Never heard about that stuff before.
Now I'd like you to please, expand a bit more about this surround mode from my speakers/amp that you commented about. Never heard about that stuff before.
Posted Wed 11 Mar 15 @ 11:49 am