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Topic: Clever ideas to allow sDJ & vDJ to share the same library??

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Does anyone have any suggestion on how to use vDJ and sDJ (SeratoDJ) with the same music library?

So Serato screws with a media file to write tag info into it whenever it touches the file, causing vDJ to think the file is new when the file is next seen by vDJ.

Using a Macbook with Bootcamp allows things to get close if vDJ and the music library is on the Windows side of the machine which is not formatted as FAT32.... and so Serato on the Mac side cannot write to the music library stored on the windows side because it is FAT and vDJ is happy. But, this means Serato can't save metadata like cue points either.

Any suggestion on how to make both save their associated metadata is welcomed. Thanks!
 
Posted Mon 27 May 13 @ 11:56 pm
I haven't used Serato, but from my experience with ID3Tags and stuff you should just use a Tagger Software utility to increase the padding of the tags. This way, the size of the file won't change every now and then when Serato writes stuff inside the tag and VDJ will be happy.
Please note that VirtualDj reads the ID3 Tags of the files ONLY the FIRST time it sees a new track. After that, it won't re-read the tags again, unless you explicitly tell it to do so. Also, VitualDj recognizes a file by it's filename and filesize. If these two variables stay constant, VirtualDj will never see the file as a new one!
 
Mac Reads & Writes on MS Dos (Mac & Windows Compatible). On Fat 32 (windows), Mac can read but doesn't write. Serato saves information inside each mp3 file. Cues Points etc.
 
digijoc-Mele wrote :
.... and so Serato on the Mac side cannot write to the music library stored on the windows side because it is FAT and vDJ is happy. ....





So I made a typo here. I meant to say that the MAC side cannot write to the music library on the Windows side when the Windows side is NOT FAT and vDJ remains happy.

I'm looking for an elegant solution to allow both vDJ and sDJ to use the same library. Not sure I like the tag padding idea (seems like too much prep work & risk loosing vDJ metadata), but thanks for the thought. I want to be able to just grab the machine and use either of the two without any worry :-)

Thanks for the ideas.
 
Hmmmm....I use VDJ for video and my VDJ Radio broadcasts and Serato for all others. Using the same music folder. I never have a problem with it. The cue points do not transfer over, but they work well. I've even taken contents of crate and drag and dropped it into a VDJ playlist.

I am not sure what difficulties you are having. I do always have to "Add to search database" my music folder everytime I open VDJ and have new tunes I've analyzed on Serato first, but it works just fine.

Would like to understand this in case it becomes a problem for me in the future.
 
@xcakid,

Perhaps you can share your method.

So you are saying that if you set cue points etc in vDJ, open the same media file with sDJ and set a couple of hotcue points in sDJ, when you come back to vDJ and sDJ respectively, the cue points are still saved?

What I am saying is that sDJ alters the media file and the next time you open the file with vDJ, vDJ forgets it's cue points because the file appears new. Maybe I am wrong about this. Please share.
Thanks!
 
digijoc-Mele wrote :
So Serato screws with a media file to write tag info into it whenever it touches the file, causing vDJ to think the file is new when the file is next seen by vDJ.


I'm not sure I like the idea of software messing with my files unless I say so. Having a separate database and preserving the files as I left them is a far better idea...

Cheers,

Roy
 
Yes both programs can be used using the same music files. I've used VDJ & Serato back to back for about a year. All the cue points showed up with each software as long as I set them in each software. It was tiring maintaining the two databases. First and foremost correct the mp3's IDtags. After that everything should be a breeze.
 
jeffrey tedder wrote :
First and foremost correct the mp3's IDtags. After that everything should be a breeze.


@jeffery, What exactly does "correct the mp3's IDtags" mean? Not sure I understand how your vDJ keeps cue points etc. if sDJ mods the file. Or are you saying that once you let sDJ save all cue points once it does not mod the file further and you set up vDJ cuepoints after? If so, and you move a cue point in sDJ, vDJ will think the file is new and loose it's cuepoints. No?
 
digijoc-Mele wrote :
@xcakid,

Perhaps you can share your method.

So you are saying that if you set cue points etc in vDJ, open the same media file with sDJ and set a couple of hotcue points in sDJ, when you come back to vDJ and sDJ respectively, the cue points are still saved?

What I am saying is that sDJ alters the media file and the next time you open the file with vDJ, vDJ forgets it's cue points because the file appears new. Maybe I am wrong about this. Please share.
Thanks!



If I set a cue point in Serato on Track A and I set the same cue point on the same Track in VDJ they are both there when I open either program.

However, I notice if I analyze tracks in Serato first, I have to right click on my music folder and "add to search database" in order to find the new tracks I put in that folder.

Otherwise I never have a problem with tracks having errors, or VDJ not locating tracks(as long as I "add to search database"), or cue points disappearing.
 
digijoc-Mele wrote :
jeffrey tedder wrote :
First and foremost correct the mp3's IDtags. After that everything should be a breeze.


@jeffery, What exactly does "correct the mp3's IDtags" mean? Not sure I understand how your vDJ keeps cue points etc. if sDJ mods the file. Or are you saying that once you let sDJ save all cue points once it does not mod the file further and you set up vDJ cuepoints after? If so, and you move a cue point in sDJ, vDJ will think the file is new and loose it's cuepoints. No?



Cue points is not a mandatory field in ID3 tags. It should not make VDJ thinks its a new track. If you change Title | Artist | Type of file | Genre | Album | Key, then yes, VDJ will read this as a new track
 
As long as your not renaming the tracks in Either program you'll have no problem.......... You can have Cue points for both programs, they don't even store them in the same way. Serato stores everything in the actual id3 tag of the track where as VDJ has it's own database where everything is stored. DO NOT RENAME THE TRACKS and you'll have no problems........
 
I had the entire three years of notes on each song and the cue point disappear when I loaded traktor.. I lost my freaking head. I sold the kontroler the next day for half the price after the customer service took three weeks to respond. I am now spending days trying to cue and set my others stuff I even lost bpm of my 90 000 songs. I just bought 1000 records and if I had lost them too after ripping watch out..
 
Well that's unfortunate and that's Traktor, were talking about SSL or SDJ.
 
Okay, will have a closer look again. Hate that sDJ updates the ID3 info tho. No wonder they risk corrupting actual music files.
 
digijoc-Mele wrote :
jeffrey tedder wrote :
First and foremost correct the mp3's IDtags. After that everything should be a breeze.


@jeffery, What exactly does "correct the mp3's IDtags" mean? Not sure I understand how your vDJ keeps cue points etc. if sDJ mods the file. Or are you saying that once you let sDJ save all cue points once it does not mod the file further and you set up vDJ cuepoints after? If so, and you move a cue point in sDJ, vDJ will think the file is new and loose it's cuepoints. No?



What I meant was, when i dl music I right click on the track in VDJ to "fix" the file name, bpm, artists, genre, etc. After I make any personal adjustments to my liking then I close the property box and load the track and put whatever cue points I may need. After I'm finished adding my cue points in VDJ then I would open Serato and just add the appropriate cue points. As long as you don't change anything in the file's property the. Those particular cue points should always be how you set them in whatever software. That's how I used to do it when i used both softwares.
 
Could anyone suggest a way to prevent Virtual dj from showing karaoke files when doing a dj segment and then not showing the audio only files when doing karaoke? I know they are color coded but I want to limit the chance of error. I have the dj music on the E hard drive and the karaoke music on the F hard drive. Is there a way to make separate databases. Will the F drive show when playing off the E drive?
Can I run 2 copies of Virtual Dj at the same time with each having it's own database?
 
view_options 'showkaraoke'

Set the above up as a keyboard shortcut and then it will toggle karaoke on and off in the browser.

If you aren't using VDJ Pro then i'm not sure if you can use custom mappings?
 
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http://www.virtualdj.com/images/pdf/VirtualDJ%207%20-%20User%20Guide.pdf





paulrobin wrote :
Is there a way to make separate databases. Will the F drive show when playing off the E drive?


VDJ will already create a spereate database for each drive you have connected.
It is named "VirutalDJ local database.xml" and is located in the root path of each drive.

paulrobin wrote :
Can I run 2 copies of Virtual Dj at the same ...


No, that is prohibited by the EULA.

http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Can%20I%20install%20the%20software%20on%20a%20new%20computer%20or%20more%20than%20one%20computer.html

http://www.virtualdj.com/atomixproductions/disclaimer.html
 


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