industrochemco
How do you hook up a Korg Kaoss Quad Pad to Numark Mixdeck? I can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Posted Sat 26 Feb 11 @ 5:52 pm
Martin FourS
If I'm correct you don't have a soundcard in your mixTrack. The only option you've got is to connect it between your computer and your speakers. In that way you can apply effects to everything you hear.
Connections: Audio out from the Mac to the Line-In of the Kaos Pad, and from the Line-out of the kaos Pad to your speakers.
Connections: Audio out from the Mac to the Line-In of the Kaos Pad, and from the Line-out of the kaos Pad to your speakers.
Posted Sun 27 Feb 11 @ 5:11 pm
industrochemco
so would I need an 1/8" to RCA for hooking it up? Because I did RCA from kaoss straight to my speakers but that doesn't actually mix the tracks on the deck so that didn't work....What about the aux inputs on the mixdeck? I have it plugged in like that now and the kaoss works but also it does not mix the tracks it just makes sound effects over it.
Posted Sun 27 Feb 11 @ 7:21 pm
Martin FourS
industrochemco wrote :
so would I need an 1/8" to RCA for hooking it up?
Yep!
industrochemco wrote :
......but that doesn't actually mix the tracks on the deck so that didn't work....
You've lost me here.... How do you mean? The Kaoss is an effects-processor. With some work it might be possible to use it as a controller, but you already got the Mixtrack.
industrochemco wrote :
What about the aux inputs on the mixdeck? I have it plugged in like that now and the kaoss works but also it does not mix the tracks it just makes sound effects over it.
It does work, but the effects that are related to the music that is playing at that moment will not work properly. (i.e. delay, sampler, all BPM-controlled effects). That is why I suggested to connect it between computer and speakers.
The best solution is to use a mixer with a separate effects in/out. In that way you can mix your effects with a dedicated section. But I have got my KP2 between my mixer and the amp.
Posted Mon 28 Feb 11 @ 6:32 am
industrochemco
"The best solution is to use a mixer with a separate effects in/out. In that way you can mix your effects with a dedicated section. But I have got my KP2 between my mixer and the amp"
Would you possibly mind going into a little bit more detail about this please. Sorry for not understanding this. From my understanding the pad is used to just add sound effects on top of the music not actually change the effects of the track it self? I'm not 100% sure though.
Would you possibly mind going into a little bit more detail about this please. Sorry for not understanding this. From my understanding the pad is used to just add sound effects on top of the music not actually change the effects of the track it self? I'm not 100% sure though.
Posted Mon 28 Feb 11 @ 9:06 am
Martin FourS
Wow!! You're missing the best parts of the KPQ....
A nice short demo of what you can do with it is found >here<
But therefor you'll have to be shure that all your music is routed through the KPQ and you get that by sending your main out through the KPQ.
in this example a sequencer is the source with only a beat.
There are not a lot of mixers with a dedicated channel for effects. I've found 1 on the Denon site, the DNX1100:
As you can see it has got an Effects Send and Return. With the Send-connection you "feed" the KPQ with signal coming from the mixer. Normally you decide what the KPQ gets by opening a volumecontrol in the mixer channels. With the Return-connection you put the effects back into the mixer. There you can control how "wet" the effects must be. This means that you can add the effect from a little into the music until maximum. For some of the effects however it is better to give the control to the KPQ. With it's effect control you can completely shut down the music and let the effects be your source of sound.
A nice short demo of what you can do with it is found >here<
But therefor you'll have to be shure that all your music is routed through the KPQ and you get that by sending your main out through the KPQ.
in this example a sequencer is the source with only a beat.
There are not a lot of mixers with a dedicated channel for effects. I've found 1 on the Denon site, the DNX1100:
As you can see it has got an Effects Send and Return. With the Send-connection you "feed" the KPQ with signal coming from the mixer. Normally you decide what the KPQ gets by opening a volumecontrol in the mixer channels. With the Return-connection you put the effects back into the mixer. There you can control how "wet" the effects must be. This means that you can add the effect from a little into the music until maximum. For some of the effects however it is better to give the control to the KPQ. With it's effect control you can completely shut down the music and let the effects be your source of sound.
Posted Mon 28 Feb 11 @ 11:07 am
industrochemco
Wow very informative!! I really appreciate all of this. I am still not sure how exactly how to hook it up though. How do I put my music running from Virtual DJ directly into the KPQ while still being able to use the mixdeck? Would you mind explaining what rca cables go where, what input/output they go into? If you read my profile you will see all the equipment I have so far to help you determine how the setup needs to be arranged. Thank you again for that informative post about the KPQ though. I really do appreciate it.
Posted Mon 28 Feb 11 @ 12:57 pm
Martin FourS
I've got to correct some of my statements I made earlier: When I said "there are not a lot of mixers with a dedicated channel for effects" it had to be "there are not a lot of DJ-mixers". Any decent PA-mixer has an send/return path.
And for the connections: I said "the only option you've got is to connect it between your Mac and the speakers". Wrong again..... ;)
There is another (and easier) solution: Out from your Mixtrack to the line-in of the KPQ (RCA to RCA) and line-out from the KPQ to your amp.
Why easier?: You probably already have a RCA to RCA-cable in spare, so you don't have to buy one.
There might be a problem with this setup (if Korg didn't change that with the KPQ): My KP2 doesn't provide enough power to get to full power with my amp. I've got this solved by adding a compressor/limiter to my setup, which boosts the signal. If I have a singer during the gig, I'm running it through a PA-mixer, so I can use that mixer to get higher volumes.
I don't know if you already have been working with your KPQ, but you should test this before the first gig with your KPQ. Otherwise you might be in for a big surprise.....
And for the connections: I said "the only option you've got is to connect it between your Mac and the speakers". Wrong again..... ;)
There is another (and easier) solution: Out from your Mixtrack to the line-in of the KPQ (RCA to RCA) and line-out from the KPQ to your amp.
Why easier?: You probably already have a RCA to RCA-cable in spare, so you don't have to buy one.
There might be a problem with this setup (if Korg didn't change that with the KPQ): My KP2 doesn't provide enough power to get to full power with my amp. I've got this solved by adding a compressor/limiter to my setup, which boosts the signal. If I have a singer during the gig, I'm running it through a PA-mixer, so I can use that mixer to get higher volumes.
I don't know if you already have been working with your KPQ, but you should test this before the first gig with your KPQ. Otherwise you might be in for a big surprise.....
Posted Mon 28 Feb 11 @ 2:53 pm
industrochemco
Well here's what I will do. I will send you pictures of everything I have and hopefully that can make it way easier for you to help me get this all figured out. When I get out of class I will get that ready for you to look at. But thanks for all of your help.
Posted Mon 28 Feb 11 @ 6:20 pm
Martin FourS
You don't have to post pics:
This should do the job. For your home setup you can change "amp" to "speakers" or a line-in on your Mac.
BTW: instead of using the XLR (balanced out) on the Mixdeck, you can use the RCA-out labeled Master. Then you can use the RCA to RCA-cable to connect to the KPQ.
Martin FourS wrote :
.....Out from your Mixtrack to the line-in of the KPQ (RCA to RCA) and line-out from the KPQ to your amp.
Why easier?: You probably already have a RCA to RCA-cable in spare, so you don't have to buy one.
Why easier?: You probably already have a RCA to RCA-cable in spare, so you don't have to buy one.
This should do the job. For your home setup you can change "amp" to "speakers" or a line-in on your Mac.
BTW: instead of using the XLR (balanced out) on the Mixdeck, you can use the RCA-out labeled Master. Then you can use the RCA to RCA-cable to connect to the KPQ.
Posted Tue 01 Mar 11 @ 6:22 am
industrochemco
Posted Wed 02 Mar 11 @ 1:18 am
industrochemco
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Ok so I tried connecting the way you said and it did not work. The effects work but the volume remains low on the kqp. The effects don't do anything with the music whatsoever. It just layers the effects over it. It doesn't recognize the bpms. The only effects that work is when the decimator is on but when it's turned off nothing else works. Are there settings in VDJ Configuration to fix this? I'm really frustrated with getting this just right. Sorry for all the trouble.
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Ok so I tried connecting the way you said and it did not work. The effects work but the volume remains low on the kqp. The effects don't do anything with the music whatsoever. It just layers the effects over it. It doesn't recognize the bpms. The only effects that work is when the decimator is on but when it's turned off nothing else works. Are there settings in VDJ Configuration to fix this? I'm really frustrated with getting this just right. Sorry for all the trouble.
Posted Wed 02 Mar 11 @ 1:48 am
Martin FourS
Thnx for the pics. You're right, it makes things a lot more clear.
If the pics are showing the way you've connected everything now, it's not the right way. You're not sending any signal into the KPQ, so BPM-detection and source-related effects will not work this way.
Let's take it a step at the time:
- Take the white RCA-cables out of the amp and connect them to the input of your KPQ.
- Now take the black RCA-cables (with the gray and yellow RCA-connector) out of the back of the MixDeck (Aux 1) and connect them to the input on your amp on the same connectors as the white cable in the previous step.
Done!
If you don't do anything on the KPQ you will get sound without any effects to your amp.
Check the manual of the KPQ for input control so you won't oversteer it. It will sound distorted if you go to loud.
BTW: The problem with the amp like I described will not affect you, because you've got gain on your input of the amp ;)
If the pics are showing the way you've connected everything now, it's not the right way. You're not sending any signal into the KPQ, so BPM-detection and source-related effects will not work this way.
Let's take it a step at the time:
- Take the white RCA-cables out of the amp and connect them to the input of your KPQ.
- Now take the black RCA-cables (with the gray and yellow RCA-connector) out of the back of the MixDeck (Aux 1) and connect them to the input on your amp on the same connectors as the white cable in the previous step.
Done!
If you don't do anything on the KPQ you will get sound without any effects to your amp.
Check the manual of the KPQ for input control so you won't oversteer it. It will sound distorted if you go to loud.
BTW: The problem with the amp like I described will not affect you, because you've got gain on your input of the amp ;)
Posted Wed 02 Mar 11 @ 5:29 am
industrochemco
I'm did just that and the kpg is picking up the tempo but now i dont have anysound.
Posted Thu 03 Mar 11 @ 4:24 pm
industrochemco
industrochemco wrote :
I'm did just that and the kpg is picking up the tempo but now i dont have anysound.
Only sound from the kpq
Posted Thu 03 Mar 11 @ 4:26 pm
industrochemco
industrochemco wrote :
Only sound from the kpq
industrochemco wrote :
I'm did just that and the kpg is picking up the tempo but now i dont have anysound.
Only sound from the kpq
I FIGURED IT OUT!!!!! SICK AS **** BRO!! THANKS SO MUCH!!!!!
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Posted Thu 03 Mar 11 @ 4:29 pm
Martin FourS
Phew!!
Glad I could help.
Enjoy!
Glad I could help.
Enjoy!
Posted Thu 03 Mar 11 @ 4:50 pm
iDJMike
I know this is a post from like a year ago.. but I just googled and found this >_>.
I was wondering if I could hook up the same quad pad to a numark mixtrack pro and have it fully working correctly without a mixer. just my laptop, the pad, and my mixtrack pro.
I was wondering if I could hook up the same quad pad to a numark mixtrack pro and have it fully working correctly without a mixer. just my laptop, the pad, and my mixtrack pro.
Posted Fri 04 May 12 @ 11:13 pm
synthet1c
The short answer is no, you can only use it on the master channel without a dedicated effect send...
the long answer is you could hack together a way to send individual channels with some trial and error, mapping, changing the skin xml file, a 2 stereo out soundcard, a few adapters or analog mixer and a reasonably powerful laptop... but you would need vdj pro to even attempt it...
how I would tackle it is have 4 decks, in advanced sound config route decks 1 & 2 to output 1, then route decks 3 & 4 to output 2.
for the skin you would need to create a few pannels. two for each of the decks and half of the mixer... and 4 for the crossfader. or use djdad's "4 deck swap" which is sort of setup like this. To use pannels you need to create 2 pannels with eg
for example this would be the left side pannels
<pannel id="left_send_on" group="left_group" visible="var '$send_left' 1" >
<size width="###" hieght="###" />
<pos x="###" y="###" />
</pannel>
<pannel id="left_send_off" group="left_group" visible="var '$send_left' 0" >
<size width="###" hieght="###" />
<pos x="###" y="###" />
</pannel>
then each element of that side would need to be allocated to either the send or normal pannel, to do this you would duplicate the existing line in the xml for each action and add either of the following bits to the first line and change the deck where appropriate.
normal pannel controls
pannel id="left_send_off"
effect send pannel - you need to change the deck for this to work
pannel id="left_send_on" deck="3"
next the mapping part makes it so you play tracks only on decks 1 & 2 which routes directly to the speakers via output 1... when you want to use the korg you would need to clone deck 1 to deck 3, or deck 2 to deck 4, then back again when you dont want effects... remember decks 3 & 4 route through output 2, this is plugged directly into the korg.
to clone and change the pannel to the effect send
deck 3 clone_deck 1 & deck 1 unload & set '$left_send' 1
to clone back to master
deck 1 clone_deck 3 & deck 3 unload & set '$left_send' 0
To get the signal of both the master (output 1) with the effect send (output 2) you would ideally want a 2 channel mixer so you can adjust the levels, but you could probably get away with a couple of rca y connectors. just plug the left from each output into 1 of the y connectors, and the right from each output into the other... this then goes directly to your stereo...
You could probably get it done in a day if your a quick learner...
the long answer is you could hack together a way to send individual channels with some trial and error, mapping, changing the skin xml file, a 2 stereo out soundcard, a few adapters or analog mixer and a reasonably powerful laptop... but you would need vdj pro to even attempt it...
how I would tackle it is have 4 decks, in advanced sound config route decks 1 & 2 to output 1, then route decks 3 & 4 to output 2.
for the skin you would need to create a few pannels. two for each of the decks and half of the mixer... and 4 for the crossfader. or use djdad's "4 deck swap" which is sort of setup like this. To use pannels you need to create 2 pannels with eg
for example this would be the left side pannels
<pannel id="left_send_on" group="left_group" visible="var '$send_left' 1" >
<size width="###" hieght="###" />
<pos x="###" y="###" />
</pannel>
<pannel id="left_send_off" group="left_group" visible="var '$send_left' 0" >
<size width="###" hieght="###" />
<pos x="###" y="###" />
</pannel>
then each element of that side would need to be allocated to either the send or normal pannel, to do this you would duplicate the existing line in the xml for each action and add either of the following bits to the first line and change the deck where appropriate.
normal pannel controls
pannel id="left_send_off"
effect send pannel - you need to change the deck for this to work
pannel id="left_send_on" deck="3"
next the mapping part makes it so you play tracks only on decks 1 & 2 which routes directly to the speakers via output 1... when you want to use the korg you would need to clone deck 1 to deck 3, or deck 2 to deck 4, then back again when you dont want effects... remember decks 3 & 4 route through output 2, this is plugged directly into the korg.
to clone and change the pannel to the effect send
deck 3 clone_deck 1 & deck 1 unload & set '$left_send' 1
to clone back to master
deck 1 clone_deck 3 & deck 3 unload & set '$left_send' 0
To get the signal of both the master (output 1) with the effect send (output 2) you would ideally want a 2 channel mixer so you can adjust the levels, but you could probably get away with a couple of rca y connectors. just plug the left from each output into 1 of the y connectors, and the right from each output into the other... this then goes directly to your stereo...
You could probably get it done in a day if your a quick learner...
Posted Sat 05 May 12 @ 4:05 am
iDJMike
Huh.. I'd have to do all of that? But the mixtrack didn't seem like it was nearly as complicated... thought that because the mixtrack PRO had a soundcard built in it would be easier.
Is this just with VDJ that I'd have to do that? or any software I use (such as Traktor) I would have to "hack" it?
Thanks for the answer!
Is this just with VDJ that I'd have to do that? or any software I use (such as Traktor) I would have to "hack" it?
Thanks for the answer!
Posted Sat 05 May 12 @ 6:18 pm
