lee eather
Iam looking for a WAV tag editor to easily restore the tag information on my WAVs i have ripped off CD. I have tried tag and rename and another program similar but could not get them to restore the tag information. It seems that they do not support the type of tag ID information for the files. The CDs are at least 2-3 years old or even older. I also want a WAv tag editor for WAV files i download off the net beatport etc
I know Virtual DJ you can edit tag information but one that can edit a whole folder at once mp3 tag for example
I know Virtual DJ you can edit tag information but one that can edit a whole folder at once mp3 tag for example
Posted Fri 05 Nov 10 @ 3:26 am
jpboggis
WAV files do not have tags.
In VirtualDJ, this information is stored within its internal database, not within the file itself (VDJ will get the Artist and Title from the filename automatically, providing it is in the standard format of Artist - Title)
You may be refering to CD Text, which allows track names of audio CD's to be shown on the displays of CD players that support this feature. This is written as part of the CD burning process providing that your CD writing software supports this feature and you have named your songs appropriately in the track list for the CD (I.e: ABBA - Dancing Queen rather than Track01)
In VirtualDJ, this information is stored within its internal database, not within the file itself (VDJ will get the Artist and Title from the filename automatically, providing it is in the standard format of Artist - Title)
You may be refering to CD Text, which allows track names of audio CD's to be shown on the displays of CD players that support this feature. This is written as part of the CD burning process providing that your CD writing software supports this feature and you have named your songs appropriately in the track list for the CD (I.e: ABBA - Dancing Queen rather than Track01)
Posted Fri 05 Nov 10 @ 1:46 pm
lee eather
I have just been editing them in VDJ
Posted Sun 07 Nov 10 @ 11:46 pm
SBDJ
If you've been editing them in VDJ then the edits were stored in the VDJ database rather than the file itself.
The are a couple of different methods that allow WAVs to support some tag functionality but tbh it's not often used and not a great deal of applications support them.
The are a couple of different methods that allow WAVs to support some tag functionality but tbh it's not often used and not a great deal of applications support them.
Posted Mon 08 Nov 10 @ 3:39 am
pejor
Since WAV is a type of RIFF format, it do support native INFO LIST tags. MetadataTouch, for example, can embed these and other kind of tags in WAV.
Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 8:10 am
lee eather
Yes i think your refering what VDJ does.
Posted Sun 14 Nov 10 @ 3:26 am
JKB57
I've been fighting with this same issue for 'years' now, and all this is for home use. I have an extensive CD collection that I want to put on a hard drive, have a nice database where I can easily find songs and play them, or set up a play list of songs.
Prior to my efforts in this, I've been using two 300 CD changers, and the list typed out in Microsoft Word in which player, which position each CD was in, then naturally the songs on that CD. Needless to say, a small 'notebook' of printed paper, which I found myself needing to change everytime I added a CD, and not a very good way of finding selections.
Seeing a program a local DJ was using on a computer, I started getting interested in looking into this more. At that time, he was using PCDJ, recommended it, and I obtained it. Was never much into compressing 'any' type of computer files, but listening to the MP3s at the local country salloon, they sounded just fine.
Ripped my entire collection of CDs into the highest quality MP3 available, which was a project as I had about 500 CDs. Finally done, purchased a very high quality, very expensive cable to run from my laptop to my home stereo receiver, a Denon 3300. Began playing some selections, and they sounded like crap!
One thing I noticed is that first generation CDs are mixed a whole lot different than newer CDs. And I've got a lot of both... Playing the original CD through the 300 CD changer, they all sound great, and of equal quality. But compressed to MP3, feeding them from my hard drive to my stereo system just wasn't going to work! They were going to need to be ripped in the original .wav format.
Naturally contacted PCDJ, their software had the capability to rip in the .wav format, but couldn't save any tag properties. And I wasn't about to edit tag properties for every song on 500 CDs! Frustrated, I just walked away from it, haven't listened to much music at all since then with my laptop and external hard drive sitting on my kitchen table for years now.
My old stomping ground, that country salloon had closed, a couple years later reopened. Seen my old DJ friend again and seen that he had switched to Virtual DJ. He said it was 'much' better than PCDJ, had a very good search engine for locating songs, which was great for him with requests coming to him all night long.
Told me that he was using dB PowerAmp CD ripper to rip the CDs, then Virtual DJ to play them. Said that Virtual DJ supported .wav files and saved tag properties. So something new? I just had to try this...
Downloaded Virtual DJ home edition and dB PowerAmp, and being smart this time not doing my entire collection all over again, I just did a couple CDs to try this. dB PowerAmp ripped the CDs just fine. Looking in my file folders, 'all' the information was there. The folder name was actually the album name, and within that file folder was the track number, artist, and song title.
I thought I finally had my solution! However, ran into a problem in Virtual DJ. I opened up a file folder and the first thing I noticed was that not all those tag properties displayed in the window. Basically all I was getting was first the song title, then a 'combination' of the track number and artist, and once a selection was selected, it showed the duration. But no album title there, no genre, or other information one might like to have in that window.
Well with the album title being the name of the file folder, personally I was not too concerned with the album title showing up in the player window. When wanting to listen to a particular song, who really cares what album it was on? I didn't know how all this would effect any searches I might want to do though. If I took several CDs, put them all in one file folder, it would only sort by track number, so say I put 500 CDs in that one file folder, the first 500 selections in the window would be every track 01 on every CD, no matter who the artist was.
I figured I'd work with it, find 'something' I would be happy with, and finally have my database of music that I could select and play from my computer. But ran into a serious issue... At the end of every song played, a loud, one second scratch type sound, that was also visible in the meter as well, like a big spike. Something I couldn't live with at all.
Contacted support with this issue and this is what I got;
"VirtualDJ supports tags in MP3 and MP4 files only, which are the most common formats used by our users (DJ's.)
Tags in WAV tags are not supported - WAV files only support very limited tagging, which is rarely used by most users and
there are few applications that support them.
The scratch sound that you are hearing is actually the tag data being interpreted by VirtualDJ as audio data.
A MP3 ripped at high quality (320Kbps constant bit rate) should be indistinguishable from a WAV for most users.
NOTE: For non-MP3/MP4 files, or MP3/MP4 that do not have tags set, VirtualDJ will use the filename to determine the artist
and title, providing it is named in the standard format of Artist - Title, e.g: ABBA - Dancing Queen.wav
From the description that you have given above, it sounds as though you would be better using a media player/library
application such as iTunes rather than VirtualDJ, which is designed and intended for live DJ mixing rather than home
listening (Jukebox) - Although thanks to the 'automix' function, many people do use it for this purpose."
Well, I have to question parts of that, as one, I had already ripped my CD collection in high quality MP3 and that didn't work. I was retaining 'some' tag information in the Virtual DJ window. The scratch sound coming from the tag data being interpreted by Virtual DJ as audio? Do have to wonder about that... I had played that same music file folder in PCDJ, and about 6 other DJ software programs that offered free download trials, and not 'one' of them gave that one second scratch sound at the end of the songs.
So something vary particular in Virtual DJ? Still trying to figure that out, and if there is anyway to eliminate that. Among all the other DJ software I did try, I really didn't like the file structure incorporated in it. In fact some didn't have any at all... The newer PCDJ Mobile showed 'some' promise, however not much options to display the selections and other information in the player window, so moved on to try others.
I do like Virtual DJ, the database and file structure displayed, (at least something I could learn to live with), though still haven't attempted to do a search yet. I discovered using dB PowerAmp CD Ripper, I could set up a nice file system. I could create a file folder named 'Alabama', and every CD burned, would be a sub-folder within that folder, with the name of the album as that sub-folder name.
However without 'every' song of 500 CDs in one folder, would I even be able to do a search for a particular song? Haven't even attempted that yet... Would still have that issue of the sort being by track number only. The first track number (01) of every CD in the collection, displaying in the list, no matter who the artist was.
Might make the search available/easier, but would cause other issues scrolling the 'entire' list browsing around for some favorites, not remembering what particular track they were on.
The one thing holding me back from adding more CDs and giving it that 100% effort is that one second scratch sound at the end of every song. Something I didn't experience in any other program I tried. Have to say that out of all the others I did download and try, including iTunes, (as suggested), just didn't like them for one reason or another.
Granted, for home use, won't be needing all the mixing, adjusting and countless other features DJ software offers, but so far have not run across anything else that will read a file structure system and/or database the way DJ software does. And now at least retaining some of the tag properties. I'm closer to finding a solution than I was a few years ago. At least I have CD ripping software that will retain .wav tag properties. Now to resolve issues/problems with a suitable player.
Prior to my efforts in this, I've been using two 300 CD changers, and the list typed out in Microsoft Word in which player, which position each CD was in, then naturally the songs on that CD. Needless to say, a small 'notebook' of printed paper, which I found myself needing to change everytime I added a CD, and not a very good way of finding selections.
Seeing a program a local DJ was using on a computer, I started getting interested in looking into this more. At that time, he was using PCDJ, recommended it, and I obtained it. Was never much into compressing 'any' type of computer files, but listening to the MP3s at the local country salloon, they sounded just fine.
Ripped my entire collection of CDs into the highest quality MP3 available, which was a project as I had about 500 CDs. Finally done, purchased a very high quality, very expensive cable to run from my laptop to my home stereo receiver, a Denon 3300. Began playing some selections, and they sounded like crap!
One thing I noticed is that first generation CDs are mixed a whole lot different than newer CDs. And I've got a lot of both... Playing the original CD through the 300 CD changer, they all sound great, and of equal quality. But compressed to MP3, feeding them from my hard drive to my stereo system just wasn't going to work! They were going to need to be ripped in the original .wav format.
Naturally contacted PCDJ, their software had the capability to rip in the .wav format, but couldn't save any tag properties. And I wasn't about to edit tag properties for every song on 500 CDs! Frustrated, I just walked away from it, haven't listened to much music at all since then with my laptop and external hard drive sitting on my kitchen table for years now.
My old stomping ground, that country salloon had closed, a couple years later reopened. Seen my old DJ friend again and seen that he had switched to Virtual DJ. He said it was 'much' better than PCDJ, had a very good search engine for locating songs, which was great for him with requests coming to him all night long.
Told me that he was using dB PowerAmp CD ripper to rip the CDs, then Virtual DJ to play them. Said that Virtual DJ supported .wav files and saved tag properties. So something new? I just had to try this...
Downloaded Virtual DJ home edition and dB PowerAmp, and being smart this time not doing my entire collection all over again, I just did a couple CDs to try this. dB PowerAmp ripped the CDs just fine. Looking in my file folders, 'all' the information was there. The folder name was actually the album name, and within that file folder was the track number, artist, and song title.
I thought I finally had my solution! However, ran into a problem in Virtual DJ. I opened up a file folder and the first thing I noticed was that not all those tag properties displayed in the window. Basically all I was getting was first the song title, then a 'combination' of the track number and artist, and once a selection was selected, it showed the duration. But no album title there, no genre, or other information one might like to have in that window.
Well with the album title being the name of the file folder, personally I was not too concerned with the album title showing up in the player window. When wanting to listen to a particular song, who really cares what album it was on? I didn't know how all this would effect any searches I might want to do though. If I took several CDs, put them all in one file folder, it would only sort by track number, so say I put 500 CDs in that one file folder, the first 500 selections in the window would be every track 01 on every CD, no matter who the artist was.
I figured I'd work with it, find 'something' I would be happy with, and finally have my database of music that I could select and play from my computer. But ran into a serious issue... At the end of every song played, a loud, one second scratch type sound, that was also visible in the meter as well, like a big spike. Something I couldn't live with at all.
Contacted support with this issue and this is what I got;
"VirtualDJ supports tags in MP3 and MP4 files only, which are the most common formats used by our users (DJ's.)
Tags in WAV tags are not supported - WAV files only support very limited tagging, which is rarely used by most users and
there are few applications that support them.
The scratch sound that you are hearing is actually the tag data being interpreted by VirtualDJ as audio data.
A MP3 ripped at high quality (320Kbps constant bit rate) should be indistinguishable from a WAV for most users.
NOTE: For non-MP3/MP4 files, or MP3/MP4 that do not have tags set, VirtualDJ will use the filename to determine the artist
and title, providing it is named in the standard format of Artist - Title, e.g: ABBA - Dancing Queen.wav
From the description that you have given above, it sounds as though you would be better using a media player/library
application such as iTunes rather than VirtualDJ, which is designed and intended for live DJ mixing rather than home
listening (Jukebox) - Although thanks to the 'automix' function, many people do use it for this purpose."
Well, I have to question parts of that, as one, I had already ripped my CD collection in high quality MP3 and that didn't work. I was retaining 'some' tag information in the Virtual DJ window. The scratch sound coming from the tag data being interpreted by Virtual DJ as audio? Do have to wonder about that... I had played that same music file folder in PCDJ, and about 6 other DJ software programs that offered free download trials, and not 'one' of them gave that one second scratch sound at the end of the songs.
So something vary particular in Virtual DJ? Still trying to figure that out, and if there is anyway to eliminate that. Among all the other DJ software I did try, I really didn't like the file structure incorporated in it. In fact some didn't have any at all... The newer PCDJ Mobile showed 'some' promise, however not much options to display the selections and other information in the player window, so moved on to try others.
I do like Virtual DJ, the database and file structure displayed, (at least something I could learn to live with), though still haven't attempted to do a search yet. I discovered using dB PowerAmp CD Ripper, I could set up a nice file system. I could create a file folder named 'Alabama', and every CD burned, would be a sub-folder within that folder, with the name of the album as that sub-folder name.
However without 'every' song of 500 CDs in one folder, would I even be able to do a search for a particular song? Haven't even attempted that yet... Would still have that issue of the sort being by track number only. The first track number (01) of every CD in the collection, displaying in the list, no matter who the artist was.
Might make the search available/easier, but would cause other issues scrolling the 'entire' list browsing around for some favorites, not remembering what particular track they were on.
The one thing holding me back from adding more CDs and giving it that 100% effort is that one second scratch sound at the end of every song. Something I didn't experience in any other program I tried. Have to say that out of all the others I did download and try, including iTunes, (as suggested), just didn't like them for one reason or another.
Granted, for home use, won't be needing all the mixing, adjusting and countless other features DJ software offers, but so far have not run across anything else that will read a file structure system and/or database the way DJ software does. And now at least retaining some of the tag properties. I'm closer to finding a solution than I was a few years ago. At least I have CD ripping software that will retain .wav tag properties. Now to resolve issues/problems with a suitable player.
Posted Fri 19 Nov 10 @ 7:25 am