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Topic: Sharps but no Flats, Minors but no Majors..

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...in thje key detection of VDJ. I've searched my library and I can't find any Db minors (D flat minor), Ab minors (A flat minor), Eb minors (E flat minor), Bb minors (B flat Minor).

Why am I getting wierd keys like C# minors (C sharp minors) and G# minors (G sharp minors)?

Also, I can't find any of the Majors...

Also, how would Majors be displayed?

Any thoughts?
 
Posted Fri 21 Nov 08 @ 7:05 am
It seems to be a common failing with most (if not all) Key detection software.

Mixmeister does the same thing, I believe Mixed in key does the same as well. You'll have to refresh your memory on transposing keys.

Am = C Maj
G Maj = Em

etc......
 
its because every major has a relative minor.
 
DJ Cyder wrote :
its because every major has a relative minor.


What about the weird minor keys I get?
 
djchris73 wrote :
DJ Cyder wrote :
its because every major has a relative minor.


What about the weird minor keys I get?



Well, its because those minors have a relative major.... ;-)
 
Because every Sharp/Flat tone has two names for the same tone - it's for writing the tone down in musical notation.

Example; A sharp = B Flat same tone sonically, but for musical notation it's different.

The fun ones are when the tone is a semi-tone apart naturally.

Example; F flat = E natural. Or C Flat = B natural.

Even in musical theory class though no-one will ever write a musical score in the Key of F flat or C flat, They'd use E Maj or B Nat. So every SHARP key you see can be ALSO transposed to it's FLAT alter-ego.

Clear as mud? - Thought so.
 
The real irony here to me Marcel is this. The keys are based on 8..right? If your a house mixer, everything is based of four, which is half of 8....woe..I need a drink.....
 
The scales are based on a series of 8 Tones.

E Major would be as follows:

E F#(sharp) G# A B C# D# E

The Sharp tones also could be refered to as G Flat, A Flat, D Flat, and E flat respectively. But it would also be referred to as A flat Maj; and be rooted (start) on the Aflat tone. It gives a different sound when the chords are rooted on different notes.

The major chords for this Key are the I IV V or Emaj, AMaj, and Bmaj. Those Blues music fans among us are recognizing this chord progression.

The basic unit of measure for music notation is called a BAR. There are 4 beats to a bar. Most popular music whether "House music" or "Hip Hop" is usually based on 4 Beats per bar. Most songs are written with "Sentences" called PHRASES. In popular music they can be 4,8,16 or 32 bars long. (sound familiar for people experienced with using lops?) In my favourite music (The Blues) the Phrases are usually based around 48 beats, or 12 Bars. (The Twelve Bar Blues)

Listening to different styles of music can really help identify these musical "sentences" called phrases.


After reading these posts your head should start to hurt.

I know mine did during my music theory classes in high school.
 
DJ Marcel_1 wrote :
Because every Sharp/Flat tone has two names for the same tone - it's for writing the tone down in musical notation.

Example; A sharp = B Flat same tone sonically, but for musical notation it's different.

The fun ones are when the tone is a semi-tone apart naturally.

Example; F flat = E natural. Or C Flat = B natural.

Even in musical theory class though no-one will ever write a musical score in the Key of F flat or C flat, They'd use E Maj or B Nat. So every SHARP key you see can be ALSO transposed to it's FLAT alter-ego.

Clear as mud? - Thought so.



Hmm? Flat = Natural?
 
djchris73 wrote :
Hmm? Flat = Natural?


Well not always, look at Renee'....man..am I going to pay for that one....
 
djchris73 wrote :
Hmm? Flat = Natural?

LOL

Natural = Note without any alterations.

Flat = natural note sonically lowered 1 Semi tone.
SHarp = Natrual note sonically raised 1 Semi tone.

what's a semi tone?

Picture a piano.

The white keys are Natural notes
The black Keys are the Altered notes (flat/sharp)

So the distance between two white keys is 1 whole tone, The distance between a white key and a black key is 1 Semi-tone.
When two white keys are place directly beside each other (no black key separating them) that is a Semi tone. The only 4 tones this will happen with are E,F and B,C. That's why E# is a rare key signature - cause most write it in F natural (major).


All of this is a REALLLY complex explanation to why Key Detection software doesn't detect Major keys.
 
TearEmUp wrote :
djchris73 wrote :
Hmm? Flat = Natural?


Well not always, look at Renee'....man..am I going to pay for that one....



Oh man, I fell of the chair :D
 


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