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This got me curious, so I opened up VDJ and loaded up "Berry" by Dir en Grey. Not terribly danceable in my opinion, but the * next to the 124.0 begs to differ. However, the song's BPM isn't 124; it's 248. If I really tried to mix a danceable set with this song in the middle, I have nothing else that's even close to 248BPM. I can't slow it down below 200BPM without it distorting.
But, it'll mix just fine with anything at 124BPM (or thereabouts). Walk Like An Egyptian will likewise mix just fine with anything at 103BPM. And that's really the point of mixing. Taking two seemingly disparate songs and combining them seamlessly so people don't have to stop dancing. Really, the BPM is just a guideline anyway.
 
Dach wrote :
This got me curious, so I opened up VDJ and loaded up "Berry" by Dir en Grey. Not terribly danceable in my opinion, but the * next to the 124.0 begs to differ. However, the song's BPM isn't 124; it's 248. If I really tried to mix a danceable set with this song in the middle, I have nothing else that's even close to 248BPM. I can't slow it down below 200BPM without it distorting.
But, it'll mix just fine with anything at 124BPM (or thereabouts). Walk Like An Egyptian will likewise mix just fine with anything at 103BPM. And that's really the point of mixing. Taking two seemingly disparate songs and combining them seamlessly so people don't have to stop dancing. Really, the BPM is just a guideline anyway.



Get the puck outta here, you can't be serious. This is some kind of blasphemy, cursing the disco gods. Where do you get off, coming here with this kind of rational thinking? This is pure poppycock. I lied about moving on when I saw this. Praise the Lord. Another genius among us. I can see you were paying attention in the DJ school of hard knocks.
 
I think both of you are kinda missing the point. I don't think anyone is saying OMG I can't properly mix this song because the BPM is half of what it is suppose to be. The problem is that music doesn't limit itself to 200 BPM and this self imposed limit shouldn't exist in VDJ. If there is a technical reason as to why this limit exists, someone should fess up. I use a lot of different music when I DJ my sets. I don't mix everything, and a majority of the music I play is sometimes alternative rock. I don't work in a dance club, I work in a strip club, so it isn't so much about people dancing as it is about the energy in the room. I play songs for 2:30 each, so I don't always have a lot of time to pick, audition, and play another song, especially when I'm doing lights for girl on stage, monitoring when the Bulls game is over so I can switch to another game, etc... My point is that the engine needs to be accurate and take into account that music is not limited to 200 BPM. What if accounting called you and said I'm sorry, our calculators and computers only can count up to $200 and you should be paid $220, how about accepting $110 instead? I think that would be unacceptable to you don't you think?
 
You know guys, I respect that everyone would love to have a perfect BPM engine for this subject. But lets face the facts. How much music is rated that high in actual BPM. Since the average song is rated between the marks of the classified genre then its safe to say that oddball music is placed in a catagory in itself. It's up to the individual to figure out how to incorporate the song. We all can play song back to back or somehow make songs make energetic sence if we really wanted to with no real beatmatching. So the perception is real in this case. Is it really going to matter that the engine doesn't calculate past 170 bmp.
 
Here's your fix:

Right click on the file from the browser. Chose "File Infos" from the menu. Manually type your adjusted BPM into the appropriate field. Click OK.
 
wbskates wrote :
Here's your fix:

Right click on the file from the browser. Chose "File Infos" from the menu. Manually type your adjusted BPM into the appropriate field. Click OK.

We all new the fix but that wasn't the root of the thread... We do appreciate your quick fix.
 
Furthermore, that fix does not work. Which is why this thread is here. Read the entire thread before posting.
 
Like I said, I suspect there will be a field for users to define a BPM range for any scan, this could be done in batches for best results, i.e genres, and altered for those rare tracks which are an exception to the rule.
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
People don't dance to measures, they dance to beats, and can decide which beats they will dance to. I have played and danced to this track, since it came out, and can tell you that I, and 95 % of my guest, are dancing to 103 bpm.



I completely agree with your statement, people are dancing to a 103 tempo in that case. Even with something like drum n' bass with a BPM of 168, people are bobbin' their heads to a much slower tempo 84. (sort of like hip hop) That 168 BPM can mix very easliy with something in the 80's BPM range.

IMO tempo is based on the timing of the "boom-tap-boom-tap" (aka kick/snare timing) and not the actual measures.
 
The BPM setting also doesn't go below 60BPM.
 
Wow!!!! I justed read through this entire post and it sounds worse than a bunch of colicky triplets!!!!
I DEFINITELY Agree with the need to Manually enter a BPM. Let the DJ decide if he wants to mix it as a 103 song.
Why can't the devs just respond to why it's too problematic to have a manual entry over 200?????
 
speedcore goes above 200bpm. its not regular for music to exceed the limit at all, but it does exist. some happy hardcore, gabba, etc goes beyond that limit frequently, but those genres are out of the norm.

i agree that the cap should not be there, but it might have something to do with how the engine is designed.

walk like an egyptian is 103bpm. anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt know how music is made. if you've produced or played instruments, the speed of this song is very clear.

the trick is to listen for the time signature. most modern (non-ethnic) music is 4/4 (except jazz often is one of the few genres which frequently goes outside this boundary)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature
 
Dach wrote :
The BPM setting also doesn't go below 60BPM.

i think that 50 BPM is the lowerst
 


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