locoDog
stem_pad isolate 'vocal'
stem_pad 'vocal'
stem_pad 'vocal'
Posted Mon 28 Aug 23 @ 9:21 am
Baldy68
Got all mutes and solos to work, thx again. But whatever I do I can't get the FX to work on stems only. Now I need a break, I'm going mad. This isn't the most user-friendly scripting I have encountered, to say the least, lol. But I am sure it must be doable somehow! Maybe with a lot of nothing again? haha
Posted Mon 28 Aug 23 @ 12:30 pm
Baldy68
Ok, I did a quick sketch to show how my "proof of concept" looks like for the moment. This layout is only to test if the concept is even possible to do on VDJ only. If it is I will make a proper hardware controller (Dubstation). The picture is absolutely horrible, I couldn't get the grid or straight lines to work in GIMP image editor. LOL But hopefully you will understand what I am after. I got everything to work except the 5x3 (15) knobs with Stem in the label that effect the full song for the moment, and not the specific stem as I want it to do.
Posted Wed 30 Aug 23 @ 1:17 pm
locoDog
yeah that can be done.
Posted Wed 30 Aug 23 @ 1:21 pm
Baldy68
Got it to work with your latest contribution! Thank you so much Locodog! :-D
working-----> deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on & deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1
working-----> deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on & deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1
Posted Wed 30 Aug 23 @ 1:40 pm
Baldy68
After "stresstesting" I noticed the effects hangs pretty often, and I must use "reset all" to get the effects to stop. Can this have anything to do with that I use this line for the FX to activate with a knob and control the intensity:
deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on & deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on & deck 2 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1
And that I use this script for the other parameters (3 extra knobs for every effect) for the effect:
Deck 1 effect_slider 1 2 & Deck 2 effect_slider 1 2
If I remove the "effect_active" from the first script and enable the effect from a button with the script: Deck 1 effect_active 1 & Deck 2 effect_active 1 Then it enable the effect in the slot, and when I use the knob the effect affect all stems instead of only one. This is very confusing.
deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on & deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on & deck 2 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1
And that I use this script for the other parameters (3 extra knobs for every effect) for the effect:
Deck 1 effect_slider 1 2 & Deck 2 effect_slider 1 2
If I remove the "effect_active" from the first script and enable the effect from a button with the script: Deck 1 effect_active 1 & Deck 2 effect_active 1 Then it enable the effect in the slot, and when I use the knob the effect affect all stems instead of only one. This is very confusing.
Posted Fri 01 Sep 23 @ 5:16 pm
locoDog
to turn switch effect for stem slot by button
deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo"
deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo"
Posted Fri 01 Sep 23 @ 7:38 pm
Baldy68
That kind of works, but then I must have 15 on/off buttons (5 stems*3 FX) not very intuitive. Hmm...
Posted Sat 02 Sep 23 @ 11:59 am
locoDog
The implicit, what is it? where is it used? why can it be annoying? how do you tame it?
The implicit is really useful, for simple basic script you don't even realise it's there because it's that intuitive.
Get a bit more involved with script and you end up fighting it, either by choice or it choosing you [that actually happens, it picks a fight with you]
So what actually is it? It's the value of a HW slider [0.0 to 1.0] or an encoder [-1 or +1, encoders can give other values but most spit out -1/+1]
Most case that's fine, a custom_button slider also has an implicit too.
Let's see it in action,
set b & loop 0 ? loop : loop_length
add this to a real HW slider or custom_button slider and move it about,
bring up, var_list click the refresh check box,
to watch that variable change,
so what's this script doing?
Imagine the value of the slider is 0.42 and imagine that value is inserted after every script verb, so our script will look like
set b 0.42 & loop 0 0.42 ? loop 0.42 : loop_length 0.42
set variable b simple enough, query loop 0 0.42 ? well loop 0 is like saying no loop active so the 0.42 is ignored because loop only accepts 1 param [length as beats, length as ms, or length modifier with %]
So is loop 0 ?
yes then turn loop 0.42 on :
no, loop is on so change it's size 0.42 beats
All very basic and boring, let's get interesting
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : loop_length & set d
so b will set between 0.0 - 1.0, but our loop length goes from 0.0 to 4.0
the param_multiply has changed the implicit, see the value of d it too receives the modified implicit.
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : get_var b & param_cast & set c & loop_length & set d
look at this, you expect the value of b to be cast to var c, but it doesn't happen, the implicit gets in there first,
now you have a fight.
once there's an implicit if you need to cast anywhere, you have to use the implicit to do it.
How do you work round it?, given this script again how do you cast the val of b to var c and still get the loop length behaviour we want?
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : get_var b & param_cast & set c & loop_length & set d
you mangle the implicit until it's the number you want and then turn it back.
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : param_multiply 0 & param_add 1 & param_multiply 'get_var b' & set c & param_multiply 4 & loop_length & set d
multiply by zero so our implicit is zero
add one so our implicit is 1
multiply by the value we want [var b]
set c then multiply by 4 to get our loop_length behaviour back
Mostly implicit is HW sliders & encoders so mostly no bother... until it picks a fight with you with some other input, it shouldn't happen but it can with scripting a certain way.
I can't explain exactly what that scripting is but if you seem to be getting odd results and suspect a implicit has turned on in your script, add this in your script to check
& set test &
if it sets to 1.000 you probably don't have an implicit issue, but any other value then you do.
Right those were the entrée, now for the main meal;
All very easy with example cases but real world you might need to cast text or a number or a percentage, so I'll show you this, my arranged fight with the implicit
firstly I only set 4 vars to a value directly
I set a var called clock, to the clocktime string with `get_clock`
I set a var called "2.5bt" to a string value of "OgI" [a stupid name for a var for a stupid trick later]
I set var othervar to 4.2
And I set initImplicitTime to 100
then I use a trick to create an implicit on a custom_button script that aren't supposed to have an implicit. [the trick is casting to a rsi time, I believe because the rsi is expecting "name" time repeatCount, and it doesn't get everything it expects the implicit happens... or it could just be gremlins]
After that, it's just me bashing about the implicit into all kind of forms, percent, time, bool, text, adding text, a blank text sting, clocktime, another blank text sting, back to numbers, and the last one is for my stupid trick.
you should look at var_list and read the script, you'll learn stuff.
param_invert to an int is like X*-1. but
param_invert to a float is like 1-X
blank a text implicit with, param_cast 'text' 0
remember & set test & from earlier? & set aTime & is my version here, I didn't directly pass a value to this var but it got a value other than 1.000
Is this the full story on the implicit? Nope
*edit minor update with `get_clock` example
The implicit is really useful, for simple basic script you don't even realise it's there because it's that intuitive.
Get a bit more involved with script and you end up fighting it, either by choice or it choosing you [that actually happens, it picks a fight with you]
So what actually is it? It's the value of a HW slider [0.0 to 1.0] or an encoder [-1 or +1, encoders can give other values but most spit out -1/+1]
Most case that's fine, a custom_button slider also has an implicit too.
Let's see it in action,
set b & loop 0 ? loop : loop_length
add this to a real HW slider or custom_button slider and move it about,
bring up, var_list click the refresh check box,
to watch that variable change,
so what's this script doing?
Imagine the value of the slider is 0.42 and imagine that value is inserted after every script verb, so our script will look like
set b 0.42 & loop 0 0.42 ? loop 0.42 : loop_length 0.42
set variable b simple enough, query loop 0 0.42 ? well loop 0 is like saying no loop active so the 0.42 is ignored because loop only accepts 1 param [length as beats, length as ms, or length modifier with %]
So is loop 0 ?
yes then turn loop 0.42 on :
no, loop is on so change it's size 0.42 beats
All very basic and boring, let's get interesting
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : loop_length & set d
so b will set between 0.0 - 1.0, but our loop length goes from 0.0 to 4.0
the param_multiply has changed the implicit, see the value of d it too receives the modified implicit.
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : get_var b & param_cast & set c & loop_length & set d
look at this, you expect the value of b to be cast to var c, but it doesn't happen, the implicit gets in there first,
now you have a fight.
once there's an implicit if you need to cast anywhere, you have to use the implicit to do it.
How do you work round it?, given this script again how do you cast the val of b to var c and still get the loop length behaviour we want?
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : get_var b & param_cast & set c & loop_length & set d
you mangle the implicit until it's the number you want and then turn it back.
set b & param_multiply 4 & loop 0 ? loop : param_multiply 0 & param_add 1 & param_multiply 'get_var b' & set c & param_multiply 4 & loop_length & set d
multiply by zero so our implicit is zero
add one so our implicit is 1
multiply by the value we want [var b]
set c then multiply by 4 to get our loop_length behaviour back
Mostly implicit is HW sliders & encoders so mostly no bother... until it picks a fight with you with some other input, it shouldn't happen but it can with scripting a certain way.
I can't explain exactly what that scripting is but if you seem to be getting odd results and suspect a implicit has turned on in your script, add this in your script to check
& set test &
if it sets to 1.000 you probably don't have an implicit issue, but any other value then you do.
Right those were the entrée, now for the main meal;
All very easy with example cases but real world you might need to cast text or a number or a percentage, so I'll show you this, my arranged fight with the implicit
firstly I only set 4 vars to a value directly
I set a var called clock, to the clocktime string with `get_clock`
I set a var called "2.5bt" to a string value of "OgI" [a stupid name for a var for a stupid trick later]
I set var othervar to 4.2
And I set initImplicitTime to 100
then I use a trick to create an implicit on a custom_button script that aren't supposed to have an implicit. [the trick is casting to a rsi time, I believe because the rsi is expecting "name" time repeatCount, and it doesn't get everything it expects the implicit happens... or it could just be gremlins]
After that, it's just me bashing about the implicit into all kind of forms, percent, time, bool, text, adding text, a blank text sting, clocktime, another blank text sting, back to numbers, and the last one is for my stupid trick.
you should look at var_list and read the script, you'll learn stuff.
param_invert to an int is like X*-1. but
param_invert to a float is like 1-X
blank a text implicit with, param_cast 'text' 0
remember & set test & from earlier? & set aTime & is my version here, I didn't directly pass a value to this var but it got a value other than 1.000
action_deck 1 ? set clock `get_clock` & set_var "2.5bt" "OgI" & set othervar 4.2 & set initImplicitTime 100 & get_var initImplicitTime & param_cast 'ms' & repeat_start_instant 'name' & repeat_stop 'name' & set aTime & nothing & param_multiply 0.5 & set anotherTimeMultiplied & param_cast 'integer' & set anInt & param_1_x & set recipFloat & nothing & param_multiply "get_var othervar" & set intMultiplied & param_1_x & set justApositiveFloat & param_cast 'boolean' & set FloatTobool & param_add -2.5 & set 'trueBoolminus2.5' & param_mod 1700 & nothing & set modWithNegNumbers & param_cast 'frac' & set_var aFrac & param_multiply 0 & param_add 1 & param_cast 'percentage' & set percent & param_multiply 0.75 & param_cast 'percentage' & set percentageMultiplied & param_cast 'integer' & set percentToInt & param_invert & set intInverted & param_invert & param_cast 'float' & set IntInvertedTurnToFloat & param_invert & set invertedfloat & param_cast 'text' & nothing & set_var text & param_add 'SSS' & set_var textAdded & param_cast 'boolean' & set bool & param_invert & set invertedbool & param_cast 'text' & nothing & set_var boolToText & param_add "123" & set_var moreAddedText & param_cast 'text' 0 & set_var blanktext & param_add `get_var clock` & set clocktime & param_cast 'text' 0 & set_var antherblanktext & param_add "4" & set_var numberAsString & param_cast 'float' & set numberAgain & param_multiply 0.625 & set confirmedNumber & param_cast 'beats' & set readItAsBeats & param_cast 'text' & set setNewVarToValueOfAnotherByImplicitString
Is this the full story on the implicit? Nope
*edit minor update with `get_clock` example
Posted Sat 02 Sep 23 @ 6:02 pm
Baldy68
Wow, at the same time as I am extremely grateful for your knowledge and time spent ....I don't know what to say or do, for the moment this is WAY over my head!
Now I just feel like giving up this project...but I don't want to, I love what I got working so far!
I will try to comprehend what you typed after the weekend I think, right now I get uncomfortable flashbacks from the math lessons at University many years ago, lol.
Now I just feel like giving up this project...but I don't want to, I love what I got working so far!
I will try to comprehend what you typed after the weekend I think, right now I get uncomfortable flashbacks from the math lessons at University many years ago, lol.
Posted Sat 02 Sep 23 @ 6:30 pm
locoDog
Oh that wasn't directed at you,
This is just general.
I've had that super long script for ages I worked out a missing piece recently [how to blank a text implicit]
I've been on with my own project, and it had a super long script, but I then moved it to "multibutton" but some how what worked one place didn't in another, then I used it somewhere else but this had a different implicit issue and then on a pad.
so a really long script in 4 places all supposed to do the same thing of which 3 didn't work, so I had to battle the implicit in different ways in each place.
So I got it written down while the wound is fresh.
This is just general.
I've had that super long script for ages I worked out a missing piece recently [how to blank a text implicit]
I've been on with my own project, and it had a super long script, but I then moved it to "multibutton" but some how what worked one place didn't in another, then I used it somewhere else but this had a different implicit issue and then on a pad.
so a really long script in 4 places all supposed to do the same thing of which 3 didn't work, so I had to battle the implicit in different ways in each place.
So I got it written down while the wound is fresh.
Posted Sat 02 Sep 23 @ 7:04 pm
locoDog
@baldy try this instead
deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & deck 2 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & ( deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" ? : deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ) & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ? : deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on
deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & deck 2 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & ( deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" ? : deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ) & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ? : deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on
Posted Sat 02 Sep 23 @ 11:55 pm
kenziekkay
SAMPLER pads OUTPUT via SCRIPT
Has anyone tried to configure Sampler output via scripting?
Here's what I'm trying to achieve:
I'm trying to set the default to "trigger deck" and/or "deck 4" via PADS Editor Script
Note that when "deck 4" is selected (or any deck), the sampler output is sent to the trigger deck - whichever deck it was
Has anyone tried to configure Sampler output via scripting?
Here's what I'm trying to achieve:
I'm trying to set the default to "trigger deck" and/or "deck 4" via PADS Editor Script
Note that when "deck 4" is selected (or any deck), the sampler output is sent to the trigger deck - whichever deck it was
Posted Mon 04 Sep 23 @ 9:01 pm
locoDog
Both are in settings, search
"samplerO"
how to script a setting?
setting "SETTING_NAME" "VALUE"
"samplerO"
how to script a setting?
setting "SETTING_NAME" "VALUE"
Posted Mon 04 Sep 23 @ 9:25 pm
kenziekkay
@LOCODOG, would you please add just a little more info
where do i search for `sampler0`? I searched in "Options & Tweaks" (the gear button up at the top), and nothing came up.
I know how to script a custom button, but where are the scriptable Sampler settings?
How do I launch the dialog window where the Sampler setting script can be entered?
If you could point me to a tutorial or something, I would appreciate that too.
Thank you
where do i search for `sampler0`? I searched in "Options & Tweaks" (the gear button up at the top), and nothing came up.
I know how to script a custom button, but where are the scriptable Sampler settings?
How do I launch the dialog window where the Sampler setting script can be entered?
If you could point me to a tutorial or something, I would appreciate that too.
Thank you
Posted Tue 05 Sep 23 @ 3:54 am
locoDog
it's not a zero it's an "o"
Posted Tue 05 Sep 23 @ 10:23 am
kenziekkay
oh got it, LOCO, thank you!
I was hoping I could improve the Sampler audio output configuration to make "trigger deck" do what it's supposed to do:
"If trigger deck is selected then it will route the Sample only to the deck where the sample was triggered from (either using deck specific shortcuts, or from a GUI or even a MIDI controller)"
right now, "trigger deck" just sends output to master just like "master" does.
I was hoping I could improve the Sampler audio output configuration to make "trigger deck" do what it's supposed to do:
"If trigger deck is selected then it will route the Sample only to the deck where the sample was triggered from (either using deck specific shortcuts, or from a GUI or even a MIDI controller)"
right now, "trigger deck" just sends output to master just like "master" does.
Posted Tue 05 Sep 23 @ 5:57 pm
Baldy68
locodog wrote :
@baldy try this instead
deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & deck 2 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & ( deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" ? : deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ) & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ? : deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on
deck 1 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & deck 2 effect_slider "Vocals" "echo" 1 & ( deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" ? : deck 1 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ) & deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on ? : deck 2 effect_active "Vocals" "echo" on
Thank you locodog for not giving up on me!
This works the same as the other scripts though; if I go too wild with the knobs, one or another effect eventually gets stuck at max. It goes away when I reset all effects, but as soon as I touch any of the knobs with the effect that was stuck before, the effect goes to maximum and is stuck there again until I reset alla effects again, and this will not go away until I do a hardware reset on my midimix controller (pull the USB plug and reconnect)...
I never noticed this behavior before in either VDJ or midimix controller in other software. I start to think it has something to do with the fact I use several knobs controlling the same effect on different stems, which maybe means that VDJ need to allocate memory for separate effects for every stem sort of?
It is a bit confusing how the effects work for me, I use for example the "echo" effect on samples also, but it doesn't work anymore until I fiddle with the parameters. Are all instances in VDJ that use for example "echo" effect using the same instance of the effect so all stems and samples, master and anything refer to the same effect with the same parameters in the same allocated memory?
Sorry, this got way more complicated than I thought it would be...
Posted Wed 06 Sep 23 @ 5:07 pm
locoDog
Baldy68 wrote :
I start to think it has something to do with the fact I use several knobs controlling the same effect on different stems, which maybe means that VDJ need to allocate memory for separate effects for every stem sort of?
It's not like that, think of effects on stems like it was another deck,
deck 1 has echo, deck 2 has echo they don't make any difference to each other.
[I say they don't make a difference, they do in the case of last touched fx sets the .ini for next session, but mostly they don't matter to each other]
Baldy68 wrote :
Are all instances in VDJ that use for example "echo" effect using the same instance of the effect so all stems and samples, master and anything refer to the same effect with the same parameters in the same allocated memory?
Are all instances in VDJ that use for example "echo" effect using the same instance of the effect so all stems and samples, master and anything refer to the same effect with the same parameters in the same allocated memory?
different memory but some cases they share an .ini file
I can't remember how many different fx slots create a separate .ini, there's a good few
master, decks, color, sampler, mic, release.
maybe instead of packing it into 2 decks, that could get confusing to work with, maybe record off stems as their own tracks and try think up a 10 deck skin.
Multiple decks is a mature idea, stems slots is still kind of new and maybe there's efficiencies to be found yet.
Posted Wed 06 Sep 23 @ 5:43 pm
Baldy68
To learn to make my own skin I am afraid is too much work for me. And also, there already are stem splitters in every deck, so it feels like we tackle the problem backwards, making it more complicated than it needs to be. But I understand it is sadly too early to use the stems in this way in VDJ for the moment.
If there is nothing else to try (any coder input would be extremely appreciated) I guess my new revolutionary DJ-controller hardware is on hold. But at the same time, I wonder if the same issue would happen in an Arduino based DJ Midi controller...hmm, probably it would...
If there is nothing else to try (any coder input would be extremely appreciated) I guess my new revolutionary DJ-controller hardware is on hold. But at the same time, I wonder if the same issue would happen in an Arduino based DJ Midi controller...hmm, probably it would...
Posted Thu 07 Sep 23 @ 11:51 am
