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Fruit wrote :
So you've been listened (and even satisfied !)... I told you :)


LOL... You just had to say that, didn't you..? Couldn't resist... :)

Well, I will say that gives me some hope. I'm still skeptical but I'll keep an open mind.

Things aren't so great at Serato either. They "listen" and give you lip service, but that's about all you're going to get. SDJ was something we didn't ask for, but with Serato, you get what they want you to have. (no exceptions, and no customizing allowed) SDJ was a train wreck when it was first released. They're slowly getting it back on track, but DJs only live so long... know what I mean?

On the other hand... Traktor... forget it... They (NI) don't even pretend to listen. It is what it is.
 
I think you need to start realizing that this isn't Serato and try not coming off as such a grouch in every post.........
 
Richmond wrote :
But, if you hold down any two (or more) cues simultaneously, the last cue you pushed will be playing as you'd expect.., however when you release either of the cues, the one you are left holding will stop playing, even though it is still pressed.


Yes, that's not a bug, it's a limitation of the available commands. The last hotcue you pushed down is the one that's considered "active", not the last you're holding.

Perhaps I could change that to take into acount up to 8 hotcues, but it will become a very complex script...
I'll see what I can do within the weekend.
 
Thx for looking at this
Could you please also clearly indicate how I could remap my hot cue 1 button from the current behaviour (press cue = jumps to cue & starts playing) to "press cue = jumps to cue" ?
I'll give a heads up
1. Click settings --> controllers, on the top left hand side choose the desired controller you want to change
2. Look for the CUE_PAD_1 key and select it
3. on the bottom right side choose as action "XXX" ( I guess this is where I should insert the values you'll be looking at )
4. repeat for all CUE_PAD_ values

I tried your earlier action (pause ? cue 1 ? cue 1 : goto_cue 1 & cue 1 : hot_cue 1 ? cue 1 : set_cue 1), but for some reason VDJ jumped to cue & started playing. I'm a bit lost here, but I'd really like this feature. I just switched from VDJ 7.4 to 8 AND from Vestax VCI-300 to a reloop terminal mix 8, but the switch is fairly intuitive, except for this hotcue thing.
 
Richmond wrote :
LOL...

Was just kidding a bit ^^

Yeah, other software aren't that customizable / customer friendly. But I only read it because I never used them nor their forum :)

Cheers, dear old friend :beer:
 
Dotisdead wrote :

1. Click settings --> controllers, on the top left hand side choose the desired controller you want to change
2. Look for the CUE_PAD_1 key and select it
3. on the bottom right side choose as action "XXX" ( I guess this is where I should insert the values you'll be looking at )
4. repeat for all CUE_PAD_ values


If all you want it to do is (whether playing or at rest) go to the selected cuepoint: - then select "goto_cue" from the menu (#3 in your list), and be sure to include the proper cue number afterward.

If you want it to perform in the way that we've been discussing here: - You'll have to edit the actual line of script manually.

Look at the end of that actual command line, and delete the "hot_cue", or "goto_cue" command that is there now. Paste the DJ Phantom script in it's place. When you have tested it out on one of the cue pads and it is working properly, then you can follow suit with the others.

Be sure to change all the cue numbers in the script to the appropriate value for the particular cue you are editing at the time.
 
Fruit wrote :
Richmond wrote :
LOL...

Was just kidding a bit


I know... Me too. :)

It's kind of nice to meet someone on these boards that can take a joke. The Serato board has an entirely different social attitude. If you let your guard down for longer than a heartbeat, or try to show someone a little kindness - someone else will see it as a weakness. Then before you can blink, you'll have half a dozen others come after you like a pack of wild dogs. I don't mind it so much, as it's a little like sport to me. However, it really get's in the way of progress. I feel sorry for the newcomers there, but if they stick around, after a while they become just like the rest.

The Traktor forum, though... Say anything bad about NI (no matter how true it may be), and they'll just throw you off the board. It's chock full of fanboys, because almost everyone else has defected to Serato or MixVibes by now. I haven't been on there myself within the last couple of years, but I hear a lot about it from the deserters.
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
I think you need to start realizing that this isn't Serato and try not coming off as such a grouch in every post.........


Well... I don't know who you are, nor why you find my posts offensive. But I was one of Atomix's first customers. I even have a copy of AtomixMP3 around here somewhere. I'm pretty sure that I know which Company's forum I'm posting to...
 
PhantomDeejay wrote :
Yes, that's not a bug, it's a limitation of the available commands. The last hotcue you pushed down is the one that's considered "active", not the last you're holding. Perhaps I could change that to take into acount up to 8 hotcues, but it will become a very complex script...
I'll see what I can do within the weekend.


"not a bug, it's a limitation" Exactly... I was saying that the limitation (or lack) of available commands is it's self, an oversight or a "bug", if you will...

Just to make totally sure we're understanding each other, and not getting confused by the variable semantics of the words we're using, please bear with me one more time, as I try to explain the issue as clearly as possible:

Let's say I want to use two cues... say, #1 & #3. I want to produce a breakbeat by alternating between 1 & 3, but I need the music to flow - not stutter, so I have to roll off of one cue on to the other -- I can never let one cue up, and then push the next... Okay... here's what actually happens:

I push cue 1 - it begins playing. I hold it for one bar, then I push cue 3 and it begins playing in place of cue 1. Now, I release cue 1 (while still holding cue 3), and cue 3 ceases playing, as if I had released it also.

Now let me say this: Please don't knock yourself out on this for my sake. It would be nice to have it working perfectly and I really appreciate your offer, but you have no idea how happy it makes me just to get it this close. I know you have your new V8 skin that you're trying to finish up. And I also know how easy it can be to let things sidetrack a project that was almost finished. You've done a lot for me already. It is really the company's responsibility to produce a simple command for this. They ought to be concerned about it, as I'm not the only one disappointed by that. You should see what people (defectors) say on other forums.
 
Just an idea here....... have you looked into using the sampler for "producing a breakbeat"?
 
groovindj wrote :
Just an idea here....... have you looked into using the sampler for "producing a breakbeat"?


Of course I have. But I think you're missing the whole point... VDJ users tend to think in terms of pre-programmed actions.

The idea is to use the cues like an instrument, impromptu and on the fly.
 
groovindj wrote :
Just an idea here....... have you looked into using the sampler for "producing a breakbeat"?


To be more clear... I understand that anyone can load drum samples, etc., into the sampler, and with the appropriate settings, then play the sampler pads like an instrument. However, what I'm used to doing, is playing certain of my cue points in many different tracks, as samples, or as one would a musical instrument.

See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v58UsDnJeGw for one great example of a DJ (with Serato) using the technique I am describing.

There is no way this can be setup in any practical manner using the sampler.
 
Unless you set them up as "REMIX" points and then set them so they only play in whatever fashion it is you want.......
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
Unless you set them up as "REMIX" points and then set them so they only play in whatever fashion it is you want.......


I'm really not familiar with that facet of the software. But I suppose I can look in to the mechanics involved, and see what is possible. I'm open to any sort of practical workaround. The script George provided is almost perfect, and I can live with that, if necessary.

I don't understand the crazy way the cues are setup by default. Not even a little bit. It's like Ford building a car which when put into "drive", will instantly take off at full throttle!

Ordinarily, I'll have two or three cue-points at the beginning of a track, and according to how I need to enter the mix, I'll experiment to find the cue that set's up my starting position the best. BUT VDJ by default does not allow you that option. Once you hit the cue, awaaaaay you go...... I wonder... what do you guys use the "start" button for...? lol :)

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Okay, I looked into that. Changing POIs to remix points does not affect the way the program responds to the controller pads. VDJ behaves according to the way the command coming from the controller it's-self is worded.

Besides, there would be a lot of unnecessary time and trouble involved in resetting all applicable cues for every applicable track. That is, when one considers that when the cues themselves are simply set up properly on a global scale, they all will work the same way. There are over 200,000 tracks in my library, BTW...
 


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