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Posted Sun 26 Jan 14 @ 6:44 pm
Wow - I never knew Serato software was so awful at playing tracks slow or fast.

Even with Pitch n Time on, it doesn't sound that great compared to other s/w.

Seriously, when the video started I assumed that was the sound with PnT disabled. But no, that was with it on!
 
Well i think that was bad demo...but do you really believe that pitch n time, the industry standard sound more awful than other software
 
Kinda of a weak demo, I don't think in the real world we pitch up/down that fast. It should of been more
gradual. Also there was no scratching at any major pitches.

Now PnT is a standard plugin but this video isn't really doing it any favors..........

Try again with another video and be more realistic about it this time.
 
that's what you call good marketing by Serato... They are selling something that should have been included at the start because the stock one is terrible from that video. On the VDJ side.. have you every used the advanced stretching algorithm it's pretty good at extreme pitch changes +/-25% and great at minor pitch changes +/-10%.
 
Mmm,

My whole issue with the VDJ stretching are artifacts at very minor pitch differences instead of extreme. little crackles that would ruin very delicate and quite parts, like a slow piano, vocal only or orchestral music. I used to bite my lips in agony every time that happened, resetting the pitch to 0 or a larger difference in generally immediately solved it, but than the damage was already done. Never experienced that with Serato so far.
 
 
No one should mix more that 6 BPM apart.
or learn to half your beats.
or work your way down or up
or make/use transitional tracks

DOESN'T ANYONE PRACTICE THE BASICS OF MIXING ANYMORE???!!!
 
xcakid wrote :
No one should mix more that 6 BPM apart.
or learn to half your beats.
or work your way down or up
or make/use transitional tracks

DOESN'T ANYONE PRACTICE THE BASICS OF MIXING ANYMORE???!!!


Agree 100% with you on that. But people are always gonna throw the "technology gives me the ability " spill........
 
xcakid wrote :
No one should mix more that 6 BPM apart.
or learn to half your beats.
or work your way down or up
or make/use transitional tracks

DOESN'T ANYONE PRACTICE THE BASICS OF MIXING ANYMORE???!!!


I call BS on the 6 BPM difference limit. You're saying I shouldn't mix a 120 BPM house track with a 126.1 BPM house track, or a 140 BPM dubstep tune with a 146.1 BPM dubstep tune?

Interesting you think you should make/use transitional tracks, but not make/use them on the fly too.
 
Haha!! I know for me personally I don't go above/under 5 bpm. If I need to get to a higher/lower bpm I'll just work my way down or cut off the current track and just drop the new one in. For me personally I don't have a need for extreme pitch changes like y'all are talking about.....
 
Just saying that's all - at 174 bpm a 6 bpm increase would be what, 3%? That's not exactly what I call extreme :p
 
SBDJ wrote :
xcakid wrote :
No one should mix more that 6 BPM apart.
or learn to half your beats.
or work your way down or up
or make/use transitional tracks

DOESN'T ANYONE PRACTICE THE BASICS OF MIXING ANYMORE???!!!


I call BS on the 6 BPM difference limit. You're saying I shouldn't mix a 120 BPM house track with a 126.1 BPM house track, or a 140 BPM dubstep tune with a 146.1 BPM dubstep tune?

Interesting you think you should make/use transitional tracks, but not make/use them on the fly too.



C'mon man...the wow/flutter of a turntable, even when calibrated can vary .2 or .3

Making transitional tracks is different from doing it on the fly cause you can actually listen to the finished product and edit. Doing it on the fly can sound really drastic. Even some of the best battle DJs out there can f this up. Pre canned practice set, sure, but trully on the fly, Haven't heard a DJ yet that can do this smoothly. Most will use 1/8 loops some kinda effect and fader slam.

 
What??????? I will transition from 128 to 90 in a heartbeat, on the fly. How do you guys get from club to hip hop, rock, or reggaeton? I don't speed up that drastic, as often, but coming down is not a problem for me. Yes, the technology helps, but it's my experience that allows me to accomplish this. You have to give it to Serato, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money.
 
xcakid wrote :
C'mon man...the wow/flutter of a turntable, even when calibrated can vary .2 or .3


Not sure what relevance that has on your 6 BPM limit unless you're talking 6 BPM + 0.3% now?

xcakid wrote :
Making transitional tracks is different from doing it on the fly cause you can actually listen to the finished product and edit. Doing it on the fly can sound really drastic. Even some of the best battle DJs out there can f this up. Pre canned practice set, sure, but trully on the fly, Haven't heard a DJ yet that can do this smoothly. Most will use 1/8 loops some kinda effect and fader slam.


Heard plenty of DJs do it, often do it myself.

Any DJ claiming a 1/8 loop and slam is a 'smooth transition mix' should be taken outside and shot. Time and a place for that kind of mixing but a smooth transition it is not.
 
xcakid wrote :


C'mon man...the wow/flutter of a turntable, even when calibrated can vary .2 or .3

Making transitional tracks is different from doing it on the fly cause you can actually listen to the finished product and edit. Doing it on the fly can sound really drastic. Even some of the best battle DJs out there can f this up. Pre canned practice set, sure, but trully on the fly, Haven't heard a DJ yet that can do this smoothly. Most will use 1/8 loops some kinda effect and fader slam.



Premade transitions or segways are usually for very large changes of bpm.. from say a 80bpm hiphop track, to its club remix version at 130bpm ...

Mixing 120-126 bpm all djs should be able to do just fine, without any crap 1/8 loop or fader slam ;)

After all its just mixing 2 tracks at same bpm, then slowly fade the other back to normal ish .. Even my mama can do that ;)
Or if a little more experienced, apply some fx or filter and move back quickly .. with a bit more "drama" to the sound .. easy too


And what turntable wow/flutter has to do with it beats me .. flutter is equally a challenge regardless of bpm speed.
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
What??????? I will transition from 128 to 90 in a heartbeat, on the fly. How do you guys get from club to hip hop, rock, or reggaeton?


1) Work my way down. Quick mixing tracks.
2) Half my beat and work my way up.... bump up pitch up 128 top 130, pitch down 70 to 65, mix, slow bring it back to 70 and work up from there

Few last resorts
use transitional tracks
play the track out to the outro filter out and drop lower track on the 1
use transitional tracks

Really unless I am making a mix tape (trying to squeeze everything in 1hr), I typically just work may way down or up, I got 4-5 hours in a gig, I can go up and down the BPM range a few times in a night. To me it just sounds better working your way up or down rather that sudden changes. Some may say it a good way to keep energy, to each his own.


 
Any DJ wanting to do transition mixes on the fly should have a look at pitchlock too, can be very handy for this - moving both pitch sliders at the same time by the same amount.
 
Well regardless of how we mix and the rules we apply to ourselves, I think we all can agree that CHARGING for better keylock is total BS!! But That's how they do things over there so it's none of my business, that said I'll probably buy it but who knows........
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
, I think we all can agree that CHARGING for better keylock is total BS!! .


true true ... lol
 
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