funkmasterfrank
Amazing... I haven't seen too many DJs around Montreal using VDj but in the last 3 weeks I've met 3 DJs(call them what you want!!) using cracked versions. Each time I talked to them I noticed something not setup properly and showed them features they didn't know about and then told them to update the software and download effects... each one told me straight out they were using a cracked version. They felt it not neccessary to pay for the software. Losers!
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Posted Fri 20 Mar 09 @ 5:27 pm
djanthony
Welcome to the world of internet.
Be honest.
Don't you ever download a song or software or a movie without paying it ?
The Dj's who want more then playing with the software at home don't want cracked versions.
Because the don't have the futures and updates and support.
But I think that also microsoft don't spend all his money to make his software as save as possible.
Now it's spread over the whole world.
Don't want to say that itdoens't matter if people have a cracked version, but in these days there is no software save for hackers and people who played with a hacked version and want to use it professional, gonna buy it if they really want the updates and support.
Be honest.
Don't you ever download a song or software or a movie without paying it ?
The Dj's who want more then playing with the software at home don't want cracked versions.
Because the don't have the futures and updates and support.
But I think that also microsoft don't spend all his money to make his software as save as possible.
Now it's spread over the whole world.
Don't want to say that itdoens't matter if people have a cracked version, but in these days there is no software save for hackers and people who played with a hacked version and want to use it professional, gonna buy it if they really want the updates and support.
Posted Fri 20 Mar 09 @ 6:15 pm
J-Snip
Ya know..I wonder if something can be developed that one can put on the cracked system to where next time they boot it up VDJ won't load!!!
One could say "hey that's a nice setup...can I take a peek?" and then when they aren't looking copy the file over from a flash drive....KABOOM BABY!
One could say "hey that's a nice setup...can I take a peek?" and then when they aren't looking copy the file over from a flash drive....KABOOM BABY!
Posted Fri 20 Mar 09 @ 6:42 pm
tayla
there are methods that can be employed to disable a cracked version when someone visits the site, just wish they were instigated.
Posted Fri 20 Mar 09 @ 7:07 pm
dj-e-lectric
Like DjAnthony said I don't think any of us have always had completely legit software, videos, music, movies......we have all at least traded with our friends at some point.
My rule of thumb with software is if I try it out by either legit demo or a crack and I like it and will use it frequently and make my life better or use it to make a living I will definitely buy it (I even donate to donationware if the program is worth it). If it is a program I could do without, only use very infrequently or I think is grossly overpriced for what it does and it's features I will use the cracked one it if it works and delete it if it doesn't. Truth be told, most programs that aren't worth buying have a very similar if not better freeware by someone else so it really isn't an issue.
My rule of thumb with software is if I try it out by either legit demo or a crack and I like it and will use it frequently and make my life better or use it to make a living I will definitely buy it (I even donate to donationware if the program is worth it). If it is a program I could do without, only use very infrequently or I think is grossly overpriced for what it does and it's features I will use the cracked one it if it works and delete it if it doesn't. Truth be told, most programs that aren't worth buying have a very similar if not better freeware by someone else so it really isn't an issue.
Posted Fri 20 Mar 09 @ 8:42 pm
Dan (djtouchdan)
Simple solution (well it sounds simple anyway):
Internet activation/verification:
Everytime VDJ is loaded it contacts the VDJ server to confirm it serial number authenticity. If interent connection isnt available a message displays informing the user that it hasnt been able to confirm the software version but will continue to work normally. It will also say that it must connect with the server within 30days to be able to continue using the software.
After those 30 days the software stops working until it can be verified again.
If the same serial number crops up on more than one machine then the user must verify account details.
No software is "crack proof" - but i do think the Atomix need to take action and stop the every growing community of cracked users. Heck i wouldnt care if they offered them a discounted version of the software to stop them using the cracked one.
This is my opinion on the situation
Internet activation/verification:
Everytime VDJ is loaded it contacts the VDJ server to confirm it serial number authenticity. If interent connection isnt available a message displays informing the user that it hasnt been able to confirm the software version but will continue to work normally. It will also say that it must connect with the server within 30days to be able to continue using the software.
After those 30 days the software stops working until it can be verified again.
If the same serial number crops up on more than one machine then the user must verify account details.
No software is "crack proof" - but i do think the Atomix need to take action and stop the every growing community of cracked users. Heck i wouldnt care if they offered them a discounted version of the software to stop them using the cracked one.
This is my opinion on the situation
Posted Fri 20 Mar 09 @ 8:58 pm
VanStino
Don't fight crackers because you just cannot win. Every "activation method" or "blocking mechanism" can be worked around by crackers.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 6:25 am
SBDJ
As above, you'll never win, you'd need to go to insane levels.
EULA allows it on two PCs anyway, and I suspect most people bend that slightly. I'll go out on a limb and admit I currently have VDJ installed on 5 machines. Admittedly three of those are development machines though.
djtouchdan wrote :
If the same serial number crops up on more than one machine then the user must verify account details.
EULA allows it on two PCs anyway, and I suspect most people bend that slightly. I'll go out on a limb and admit I currently have VDJ installed on 5 machines. Admittedly three of those are development machines though.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 6:44 am
DJ Marcel_1
I've seen it in Clubs where I've worked.
I asked why they didn;t buy it and the other DJ's asked Why buy it they can get it for free.....Untill they were using it for aprox 4 hours and the White noise bug came on.
500 people in the club - 300 of them on the dance floor and boom instant white noise. I literally started laughing; as I was not in the booth but over by the bar with the wireless mic about to do a promo.
I asked why they didn;t buy it and the other DJ's asked Why buy it they can get it for free.....Untill they were using it for aprox 4 hours and the White noise bug came on.
500 people in the club - 300 of them on the dance floor and boom instant white noise. I literally started laughing; as I was not in the booth but over by the bar with the wireless mic about to do a promo.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 8:00 am
wildcountryclub
think that its bad with the cracked users? how's this grab you from a conversation last night with one of our GI's that just got back from Iraq -
"oh, cool. virtual dj. i bought that while i was in Iraq from one of the hajji girls."
yay. more pirated/cracked copies out in the world.
i wouldnt even want to guess at the amount of money Atomix is losing over that.
"oh, cool. virtual dj. i bought that while i was in Iraq from one of the hajji girls."
yay. more pirated/cracked copies out in the world.
i wouldnt even want to guess at the amount of money Atomix is losing over that.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 8:49 am
sirkitbreaker
the ting about crack software is this alot of the people using crack software are not gonna by it if they had the money period. next the whole activate on the internet is stupid. not everyone has internet and my gig computer is never connected to the internet
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 12:11 pm
Dan (djtouchdan)
sirkitbreaker wrote :
next the whole activate on the internet is stupid.
Stupid it isnt - slightly inpractical for some users maybe - but it isnt stupid!
Cracked software is cracked software! Most users who use cracked software do not have and will not have any intention to buy the software.
Something in my opinion needs to be done to protect the ongoing development of Virtual DJ.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 12:48 pm
TWDsje
There's not much you can to do fight crackers with this kind of software. It's relatively expensive software, and it's geared towards a very small niche. Much like photoshop. I doubt there's many people out there that would be buying if they couldn't crack it. They would probably either just lose interest, or use MIXXX.
You just have to keep people interested long enough that they'll eventually put out the money. The only reason I've been able to stay interested in VirtualDJ for so long has been because I can try the demo out again every time I flush my machine, and because I have the atomix trial that doesn't have the 30 day limitation on it. Otherwise I just use MIXXX and save up. I'm almost there, and I plan on getting a Hercules DJ Control Steel + VirtualDJ before the summer comes.
So based on my experience I think that VirtualDJ has been very effective in this respect. They have great trials that show you the software, but limit you enough that you could never use it in a club. You can't get into any of the downloads etc. There's not much else you can do.
On the other hand I think what I've said above really only applies to bedroom DJs. When you get paid for what you do it's a completely different issue. You'd only need 2 or 3 gigs to pay for the software. There's no reason they shouldn't be buying. I can't believe there are so many professional DJ's out there doing this.
You just have to keep people interested long enough that they'll eventually put out the money. The only reason I've been able to stay interested in VirtualDJ for so long has been because I can try the demo out again every time I flush my machine, and because I have the atomix trial that doesn't have the 30 day limitation on it. Otherwise I just use MIXXX and save up. I'm almost there, and I plan on getting a Hercules DJ Control Steel + VirtualDJ before the summer comes.
So based on my experience I think that VirtualDJ has been very effective in this respect. They have great trials that show you the software, but limit you enough that you could never use it in a club. You can't get into any of the downloads etc. There's not much else you can do.
On the other hand I think what I've said above really only applies to bedroom DJs. When you get paid for what you do it's a completely different issue. You'd only need 2 or 3 gigs to pay for the software. There's no reason they shouldn't be buying. I can't believe there are so many professional DJ's out there doing this.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 12:48 pm
Caliente123
The Only way to protect it is to lock it into its own interface.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 1:06 pm
SBDJ
Even that can be bypassed...
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 1:24 pm
Tim Bennett
Hell, if you can't stop hackers and virus creators from ripping apart your OS then how can crackers be stopped. It's impossilbe AND keep a flexible product.
I don't think the ongoing development of VDJ is in jeapordy. It has deals with Numark and Hercules and there are enough users on the up and up to support growth and development. But I don't know that, I don't look at Atomix financial books.
If Atomix was to get strapped for cash there are other services they could offer to supplement income.
I think it would be cool if they would start a DL service with music and video files optimized for VDJ. Pre-tagged, pre-analyzed, ready to go with VDJ. Services to add a DJ's logo to videos. Create custom drops, whatever.
I know there are other services that do some of these things and many users can do these things themselves but for those that can't or don't want to or don't have the time this could be a valuable service to the users. It would keep the price of the application down and still generate income.
But that's just an idea, I don't know about the costs of staff to do this and licensing and all that. I could be way off base.
I don't think the ongoing development of VDJ is in jeapordy. It has deals with Numark and Hercules and there are enough users on the up and up to support growth and development. But I don't know that, I don't look at Atomix financial books.
If Atomix was to get strapped for cash there are other services they could offer to supplement income.
I think it would be cool if they would start a DL service with music and video files optimized for VDJ. Pre-tagged, pre-analyzed, ready to go with VDJ. Services to add a DJ's logo to videos. Create custom drops, whatever.
I know there are other services that do some of these things and many users can do these things themselves but for those that can't or don't want to or don't have the time this could be a valuable service to the users. It would keep the price of the application down and still generate income.
But that's just an idea, I don't know about the costs of staff to do this and licensing and all that. I could be way off base.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 1:53 pm
sbangs
djtouchdan wrote :
Simple solution (well it sounds simple anyway):
Internet activation/verification:
Everytime VDJ is loaded it contacts the VDJ server to confirm it serial number authenticity. If interent connection isnt available a message displays informing the user that it hasnt been able to confirm the software version but will continue to work normally. It will also say that it must connect with the server within 30days to be able to continue using the software.
After those 30 days the software stops working until it can be verified again.
If the same serial number crops up on more than one machine then the user must verify account details.
No software is "crack proof" - but i do think the Atomix need to take action and stop the every growing community of cracked users. Heck i wouldnt care if they offered them a discounted version of the software to stop them using the cracked one.
This is my opinion on the situation
Internet activation/verification:
Everytime VDJ is loaded it contacts the VDJ server to confirm it serial number authenticity. If interent connection isnt available a message displays informing the user that it hasnt been able to confirm the software version but will continue to work normally. It will also say that it must connect with the server within 30days to be able to continue using the software.
After those 30 days the software stops working until it can be verified again.
If the same serial number crops up on more than one machine then the user must verify account details.
No software is "crack proof" - but i do think the Atomix need to take action and stop the every growing community of cracked users. Heck i wouldnt care if they offered them a discounted version of the software to stop them using the cracked one.
This is my opinion on the situation
This system is what made PCDJ hated by many users.
It only takes one hacker to get round it and it punishes all of the legitimate users unfortunately.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 2:30 pm
Dan (djtouchdan)
Again - i understand that nothing is crack proof without spending ALOT of money.
If i am honest my gripe is the amount of CRACK users on these forums asking for help from PAID users - thats just damn cheeky!!
Anyway i have had my say and take on board everyones responses - thanks.
If i am honest my gripe is the amount of CRACK users on these forums asking for help from PAID users - thats just damn cheeky!!
Anyway i have had my say and take on board everyones responses - thanks.
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 3:25 pm
sirkitbreaker
djtouchdan wrote :
Stupid it isnt - slightly inpractical for some users maybe - but it isnt stupid!
Cracked software is cracked software! Most users who use cracked software do not have and will not have any intention to buy the software.
Something in my opinion needs to be done to protect the ongoing development of Virtual DJ.
sirkitbreaker wrote :
next the whole activate on the internet is stupid.
Stupid it isnt - slightly inpractical for some users maybe - but it isnt stupid!
Cracked software is cracked software! Most users who use cracked software do not have and will not have any intention to buy the software.
Something in my opinion needs to be done to protect the ongoing development of Virtual DJ.
put it this way... a Krack user is putting no money in VDJ
make it 'internet locked' and users like me would of never put money into VDJ
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 3:40 pm
dj maddsound
Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen...the same conversation about cracked copies? Have you not noticed that this SAME old grip has been going on for ages here? This post has been opened for 2 days with lots of opinions as to what to do with cracked copies and crack users, but...who cares? Seriously...what can you or I do about company policy. Atomix Productions has a policy about NLU, Crack Users and Cracked copies. This is their company and their rules...not ours. I purchased my copy and have never looked back. If someone else does not and chooses to use a cracked copy...that is his or her problem. Atomix could stop them if they choose...they choose not to...so what not my company. This company is VERY successful and will continue to be with their policies...not ours.
Atomix is about making money by drawing in people. Many times it means by "permitting" cracked copies in which folks can use the program for months, but without all the features. So folks get irritated by the limitations and come to the "home" of the software. They see that there are new versions, free upgrades, free plugins and a "friendly" community that is NOT always bashing them. Heck they even want to join the awesome Radio that we have, but wait, darn they have to have a legal copy. They are intrigued and join us, form close ties and someday purchase their own copy. That is it in a nutshell...so is it my company? No. Can I change it? No. Is Atomix concerned? Maybe...but they will make changes when they want to...not me. I am just a person here in the community trying to be "friendly" and help those that are intrigued to purchase a copy.
So if you want to help Atomix...don't hurt them by judging. Help by being helpful and friendly. :)
MADD
Atomix is about making money by drawing in people. Many times it means by "permitting" cracked copies in which folks can use the program for months, but without all the features. So folks get irritated by the limitations and come to the "home" of the software. They see that there are new versions, free upgrades, free plugins and a "friendly" community that is NOT always bashing them. Heck they even want to join the awesome Radio that we have, but wait, darn they have to have a legal copy. They are intrigued and join us, form close ties and someday purchase their own copy. That is it in a nutshell...so is it my company? No. Can I change it? No. Is Atomix concerned? Maybe...but they will make changes when they want to...not me. I am just a person here in the community trying to be "friendly" and help those that are intrigued to purchase a copy.
So if you want to help Atomix...don't hurt them by judging. Help by being helpful and friendly. :)
MADD
Posted Sat 21 Mar 09 @ 3:41 pm
